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Old 12-09-2014, 06:04 PM   #31
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Now that one has too much empty space.

Yes, I agree 100%.

What I want to know from twowheels is do you actually like the look of your Kindle and would you duplicate the look of your Kindle on a Kobo if you had a Kobo because you like it or would you go smaller margins and/or line height if you could? Or, are you just saying you like it because that's the best you've got and there isn't anything better?
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Old 12-09-2014, 06:23 PM   #32
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Yes, I agree 100%.

What I want to know from twowheels is do you actually like the look of your Kindle and would you duplicate the look of your Kindle on a Kobo if you had a Kobo because you like it or would you go smaller margins and/or line height if you could? Or, are you just saying you like it because that's the best you've got and there isn't anything better?
I tend toward minimalism in many aspects of life and prefer uncluttered spaces (a coworker has been known to say other than my one or two personal items in my cube they wouldn't know whether it was deserted), especially visually. I actually go back and forth between this and the wider spacing, leaning more toward the wider line spacing option. That said, 3 options is plenty for me as it fits well with the minimal but sufficient mindset.

edit: and now that you mentioned it I noticed that I was on the middle setting and have now increased it to the higher setting, which looks even better IMO.
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Old 12-09-2014, 08:13 PM   #33
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You misread what I wrote and got it incorrect. I never said Kindle owners are stupid. Others have said that (well, implied) in the SD card slot thread. They have said that Amazon has this fixed options because some users are unable to handle more flexible options. I said I would not have an issue buying a Kindle if it had sensible options. It doesn't and that's the major issue with Kindles.
I don't know about "unable" but I suspect many Kindle owners just don't care and couldn't be bothered to change it if they had the option.

And the major issue with Kobos is of course the variable bugginess.
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Old 12-09-2014, 08:23 PM   #34
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I have to disagree. Features that people would like very much are what Amazon is NOT giving people.
Many people are very satisfied with their Kindles. That's brass tacks. No way around it. "People" is a category with inevitable disagreement in it. No one product will perfectly satisfy 100% of everyone. That's just real life.

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Look at the customization options. Wide margins, large line height, and few fonts with some being too light. Then you go to two other set of settings with even wider and more wider margins and line height. How is this what people want? It's not. Not at all.
Blah! First off, I've NEVER owned an e-reader (not by Sony, not by Kobo, not by Amazon, not by ANYONE) that did ALL formatting just the way that I want it no matter what book I am reading and from what source I acquired the book. Just doesn't exist. At best, you shoot for settings that will satisfy most scenarios. Aside from the odd book or two, I find most of the fonts, spacing, etc., settings to be just fine on my Kindle with Kindle OS 5.6.1 for the vast majority of the books that I own and have purchased.

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I would not be bothered buying a Reader from Amazon if they had one that had what I wanted.
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Amazon gives it's users what Amazon thinks they want...
Yep. As do most companies who hope to be successful in any meaningful way.

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Another issue is that a lot of people don't know of Kobo.
That is certainly true. Kobo is easily my second favorite e-ink manufacturer and designer. I do loathe .kepub, but its not the end of the world. And their store needs a ton of work still (as it did in 2010 when I bought my first Kobo). Still, I would not feel good recommending BN to anyone at this point, unless they go in with both eyes open to the financial and market realities that the bookseller is currently in.
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Old 12-09-2014, 10:33 PM   #35
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I, personally, like having choices. Not one of my smart phones has ever not been rooted, jail broken, or otherwise hacked.

Now, when it comes to ereaders, I know I am part of a niche. What I want in my (next) ereader is out of the norm of what a regular Joe expects. I basically want a tablet with an eink screen, not a dumb device with a set amount of features.

With all of that said, I believe the Kindle is perfect for regular Joe in most ways. I think people would appreciate it if Amazon did include an SD slot and support for DRM-free epubs, but overall the consumer gets a good deal. Even though it is a walled garden, it's so vast that regular Joe probably will find all of the books he needs.

On the subject of fonts and line spacing... I'm not sure if consumers care too much about it. I mean, with pbooks, you got whatever it was the publisher decided the book should look like and no one really complained, except for maybe those with eyesight issues. The Kindles though have enough options to satisfy those that need larger fonts to read...

As for Greg, I think if you need to physically check how your books look on an ereader, you need to get two: A Kindle and a Kobo. Those are the two most popular, so it would make sense to use them both because of their different eBook formats.

There is no one ereader to rule them all, but by having those two, you secure testing for the largest amount of devices possible. I understand its not cheap, but you don't have to get both right now. In fact I would get the Kindle first due to it's popularity and maybe a kobo months later (or whenever you find it financially acceptable to get one).

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Old 12-09-2014, 10:40 PM   #36
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I would not be bothered buying a Reader from Amazon if they had one that had what I wanted.
Jon, this is bad grammar insofar that it leaves room for interpretation. The way I read it is: I can't be bothered to buy a Kindle even if it came with what I want in a new version / update. Or did you mean: As soon as Amazon adds options the way you want it, you would infact consider buying one?


Two negatives don't always make a positive logically speaking. My apologies if you meant the opposite of what I interpreted.
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Old 12-10-2014, 01:05 AM   #37
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One complaint I do see quite often in Amazon discussions is that there aren't enough font sizes. There have been just eight sizes at least as far back as the K3 and they haven't added any more even on the high-res Voyage.

The steps from the first through the sixth sizes are reasonable but the last two are enormous jumps. A lot of people who need large print say they'd like several smaller steps after the sixth size.


I like bookcovers as sleep screens, book title at the top of each page (yes, I do sometimes forget what I'm reading ), page x of y total pages at the bottom of the page, and lots of empty space. I have both Kobos and Kindles but I'm much more attached to the Kobos.
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Old 12-10-2014, 02:53 AM   #38
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Here's a couple of questions. Since most of the books I'm interested in are epubs, how do epubs converted in Calibre look on a Kindle? So if I'm reading 90% epubs is it a disadvantage to buy a Kindle? And Kobo with its kepubs. All right so if I buy a book from Kobo I get a kepub and it displays perfectly on my Kobo. But how do regular epubs display there?
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Converted ePubs look exactly the same as the original.
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Kobo manages ePub with no problem, aside of a bit less features (header / footer and so on...)
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You can have Calibre convert to kepub on the fly when transferring to a Kobo.
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Good to know. Thanks much.
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For a smaller budget, I'd recommend the Kobo Aura. It's very similar to the PW/PW2 and it has all the same nice configuration options as the H2O. The Aura can be gotten from Chapters for $99 + shipping (CAD) so the price might be a few dollars less then $99 (US).
I had the Kobo Aura and I would not pick that over a Kindle Paperwhite. The Aura is a nice device but the screen on the Paperwhite is far superior. I sold my Aura when I got my Voyage but before than I had the Aura and a Paperwhite and while I used both, and it was lovely having both, If I could only have one it would be the Paperwhite.

I do have an old Nook Glow as well, and there is no way I'd ever buy the new Nook Glow, it's memory for side loaded books is far too small and again compared to a Paperwhite there is no competition.

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There is no one ereader to rule them all, but by having those two, you secure testing for the largest amount of devices possible. I understand its not cheap, but you don't have to get both right now. In fact I would get the Kindle first due to it's popularity and maybe a kobo months later (or whenever you find it financially acceptable to get one).
Actually, I'd get the Kobo now as the Aura is on sale for $99. The Kindle is not on sale at the moment. So the Kindle can wait until it's on sale or when later finally arrives.
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Jon, this is bad grammar insofar that it leaves room for interpretation. The way I read it is: I can't be bothered to buy a Kindle even if it came with what I want in a new version / update. Or did you mean: As soon as Amazon adds options the way you want it, you would infact consider buying one?


Two negatives don't always make a positive logically speaking. My apologies if you meant the opposite of what I interpreted.
It was said someplace that some people would not bother to buy a Kindle because of buying it from Amazon (or words to that effect). Then I said that it would not bother me to buy a Kindle from Amazon if it had the features I wanted.

If Amazon did go and change the Kindle to suit my needs, I would consider one if I was in the market for a another Reader.

What Amazon would have to do is give useful settings and at least DRM free ePub support.
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