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The Pilgrim's Progress - John Bunyan 1 6.25%
The Iliad and The Odyssey - Homer 2 12.50%
The Art of War - Sun Tzu 2 12.50%
The Wealth of Nations by Adam Smith 0 0%
The Catcher in the Rye - J D Salinger 2 12.50%
To Kill a Mockingbird - Harper Lee 6 37.50%
Time Traders - Andre Norton 1 6.25%
The Young Man's Guide - William Alcott 0 0%
Treasure Island - Robert Louis Stevenson 1 6.25%
The Republic - Plato 1 6.25%
The Big Questions - Simon Blackburn 0 0%
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Old 08-30-2014, 09:08 AM   #31
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Just out of curiosity, why are you excluding extraplanetary sci-fi?
I find the genre ultra fantastical and in an all different realm of reality. That goes by saying, however, that I love sci-fi that is portrayed in movies like Inception, The Butterfly Effect and the Matrix ("Have you ever had a dream, Neo, that you were so sure was real? What if you were unable to wake from that dream? How would you know the difference between the dream world and the real world?" - Morpheus). More philosophical than fiction, ain't it?

It's just that I don't like much of the Star Wars or Transformers kind of stuff. I hope you get what I mean.
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I find the genre ultra fantastical and in an all different realm of reality. That goes by saying, however, that I love sci-fi that is portrayed in movies like Inception, The Butterfly Effect and the Matrix ("Have you ever had a dream, Neo, that you were so sure was real? What if you were unable to wake from that dream? How would you know the difference between the dream world and the real world?" - Morpheus). More philosophical than fiction, ain't it?

It's just that I don't like much of the Star Wars or Transformers kind of stuff. I hope you get what I mean.
Ah. You don't like science fantasy, you want hard sci-fi. Star Wars and Transformers aren't representative of all extra-planetary sci-fi by a long shot.

There's a lot of hard extraplanetary sci-fi that sticks with realistic laws of physics (if not quite the laws we know). Looking at recommendations for hard science fiction might be a good place to start.

Andre Norton's Time Traders series is set in fairly realistic modern times, where people have found alien technology that they don't quite understand and are trying to investigate. There's a lot of parts where inexplicable things happen, but it's mostly because they were trying to do things without understanding their tools. I thought it was a good take on what might happen if people found alien technology, but how realistic you'll find it might vary. It was definitely more realistic than Star Wars.
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Ah. You don't like science fantasy, you want hard sci-fi. Star Wars and Transformers aren't representative of all extra-planetary sci-fi by a long shot.

There's a lot of hard extraplanetary sci-fi that sticks with realistic laws of physics (if not quite the laws we know). Looking at recommendations for hard science fiction might be a good place to start.

Andre Norton's Time Traders series is set in fairly realistic modern times, where people have found alien technology that they don't quite understand and are trying to investigate. There's a lot of parts where inexplicable things happen, but it's mostly because they were trying to do things without understanding their tools. I thought it was a good take on what might happen if people found alien technology, but how realistic you'll find it might vary. It was definitely more realistic than Star Wars.
Robert L. Forward's novels "Dragon's Egg" and "Starquake" are based in the real world as well. It deals in part with a 1st contact situation where the aliens are beings who live on the surface of a neutron star.
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Robert L. Forward's novels "Dragon's Egg" and "Starquake" are based in the real world as well. It deals in part with a 1st contact situation where the aliens are beings who live on the surface of a neutron star.
Hold on!! Let's not morph this thread into a purely Sci-fi book suggestion.
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Hold on!! Let's not morph this thread into a purely Sci-fi book suggestion.
I'm not trying to. Just saying that those two are examples of Sci Fi that are based in real world science.
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It deals in part with a 1st contact situation where the aliens are beings who live on the surface of a neutron star.
That didn't quite sound like real world science at all, yet. Thanks for the book suggestions, anyway.
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That didn't quite sound like real world science at all, yet. Thanks for the book suggestions, anyway.
Well not the part about 1st contact (yet) as you pointed out but about how to safely approach the area of a neutron star maybe. Robert L. Forward was a scientist by profession though I believe.
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Well not the part about 1st contact (yet) as you pointed out but about how to safely approach the area of a neutron star maybe. Robert L. Forward was a scientist by profession though I believe.
I've updated, in the original post, the list of books by adding those two titles by Robert L. Forward. Sadly, the polls cannot be updated to reflect any new additions, a feature that I'd love to have in this forum.
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You don't have any Dumas on your list yet. That's an oversight that definitely needs to be corrected. My favorite is The Count of Monte Cristo. I found that the Three Musketeers relied too much on knowledge of ancient French culture and politics to be really enjoyable - it's a satire on upper class France a few centuries ago, so it's harder for modern readers to get into. The Count of Monte Cristo is also an excellent social commentary and moral tale while being a better story.
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Another indirect recommendation in favor of The Count Of Monte Cristo. I reckon I'll sample it after reading my next Dickens, A Tale Of Two Cities.
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Another indirect recommendation in favor of The Count Of Monte Cristo. I reckon I'll sample it after reading my next Dickens, A Tale Of Two Cities.
True! I've enjoyed watching the movie version, and firmly believe that the book would be more enjoyable.

The original post is updated to reflect this fine addition. Thank you both!
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