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Old 05-27-2008, 03:21 PM   #31
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But why?

The whole idea of the Kindle (and all of the e-readers) is portability, mirroring the paper book reading experience and using the eInk techonology to free us (e-book readers) from having to sit and stare at computer screens even more than we already do.

Reading e-books on a computer screen, especially for pleasure, would seem like a step back to me, not forward.
Well, the scenario that often presents itself to me is that I am at work, during lunch or an unscheduled break, and I want to read but my Reader is nowhere near me (if I am in between meetings, for example) or I don't want to whip it out (the Reader) and attract attention. It would be great to have the book on the computer and start reading.
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Amazon really should create a reader for their eBooks that works on your computer and then open up their eBooks to everyone.
As close as it is to the format, it seems like there would be no technical reason why they couldn't just add support to the Mobipocket Reader software.
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Just got a reply from Amazon customer service - no refund for me since I'm out of the 30-day price protection window. (I'm not mad - their policy is clearly stated but I thought I'd give it a shot anyway.)
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Old 05-27-2008, 04:57 PM   #34
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Oh, I see what he meant now. Well, that would only be beneficial if Amazon releases books that are DRM free, even if you had a .azw reader program the files are locked to each specific Kindle.
Or the software could be registered just as a Kindle can be to your Amazon account. This is how Mobipocket's PC reader works, and how Microsofts PC reader works.

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Old 05-27-2008, 04:59 PM   #35
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Just got a response from Amazon... they are putting through a refund of my $40 via their Post-Order price guarantee. No questions asked.

Amazon just has excellent customer service.

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Reading e-books on a computer screen, especially for pleasure, would seem like a step back to me, not forward.
There are many non-fiction, not for pleasure eBooks available in the Kindle store that I may want to use on my PC... tech stuff, etc. OF course, this probably also goes to them not selling Kindle books (ebooks) to non-Kindle owners. I guess they figure go Mobipocket if that is what you want.

I think they are missing revenue on both sides. Selling Kindles books to non-kindle owners and selling Kindles to people that want to read ebooks other than those bought at the Kindle store.

If they really want to be the iPod/iTunes for eBooks lets compare.

iPod/iTunes

1. You can only use iTunes with an iPod.
2. You can use iTunes without an iPod.
3. You can use an iPod without iTunes (supports other formats).

Kindle/Kindle Store

1. No Kindle software.
2. You can't buy Kindle books without a Kindle.
3. You can use Kindle without Kindle books (support mobi non-drm).

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Old 05-27-2008, 05:23 PM   #37
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There are many non-fiction, not for pleasure eBooks available in the Kindle store that I may want to use on my PC... tech stuff, etc. BOb
Well, I think this is the whole point of the whole e-reading device "mini -revolution". They seem to be catering to the reading public more than the reference manual public therefore, the design and marketing are geared differently.

Some people may want to read reference material like the latest "How-To" tech book, but, looking at their marketing campaigns on their sites (Amazon, Sony, iRex, Booken, et al.), they really want the reader who wants to curl up with a good novel, not PC repair.

Even Astak, the newest kid on the block, has an image of a woman comfortably reading a good book while sitting in a window with a picturesque urban scene behind her, not trying to learn the ins and outs of Photoshop CS.
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Well, I think this is the whole point of the whole e-reading device "mini -revolution". They seem to be catering to the reading public more than the reference manual public therefore, the design and marketing are geared differently.
Isn't Amazon about the long tail?

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Old 05-27-2008, 05:32 PM   #39
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Isn't Amazon about the long tail?

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If you mean long tail in terms of a long term sales of the device, I'm sure that is their goal.

But, the marketing says they've identified their customers as those who want to read the e-version of the latest best seller and they'll get around to everyone else when they get around to them.

They've done their marketing research and I would bet the vast majority of people who buy books from Amazon are people who read fiction and are looking for the next "good read."

Jeff Bezo has been very explicit about creating the Kindle to appeal to that market/demographic first and foremost since they are probably his biggest customers.
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If you mean long tail in terms of a long term sales of the device, I'm sure that is their goal.
No, I mean the long tail a la the book by Chris Anderson of the same name.

http://www.amazon.com/Long-Tail-Futu...1924177&sr=8-1

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Old 05-27-2008, 06:52 PM   #41
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But why?

The whole idea of the Kindle (and all of the e-readers) is portability, mirroring the paper book reading experience and using the eInk techonology to free us (e-book readers) from having to sit and stare at computer screens even more than we already do.

Reading e-books on a computer screen, especially for pleasure, would seem like a step back to me, not forward.
It is very handy to open a eBook on a PC to make sure it is the one you are thinking about or to search it or for any number of reasons other than a replacement for your portable reader. The PC also sort and other organization tasks for your eBooks which allows you to manage them. They are much easier to manage if you can look at the contents.

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It is very handy to open a eBook on a PC to make sure it is the one you are thinking about or to search it or for any number of reasons other than a replacement for your portable reader. The PC also sort and other organization tasks for your eBooks which allows you to manage them. They are much easier to manage if you can look at the contents. Dale
But that is not the intended market for ebook readers. Each company "thinks" they've solved the book file management issue.

They are aiming to create an experience that mirrors reading a paper book and those sorts of task they think are best handled on the device, regardless of how well it actually "works."

Again, look at the way they are marketed and you will see why it will probably be a long time before Amazon releases a PC/Mac reader for the Amazon Kindle.
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well the Kindle is still in stock even after the big price drop
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Or the software could be registered just as a Kindle can be to your Amazon account. This is how Mobipocket's PC reader works, and how Microsofts PC reader works.

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That would be good, so long as they make and support a gnu/linux version of the software . Hopefully, as we see Amazon make more and more progress with ebooks, we will start to see them branch out as much as possible.
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I was just browsing through Sony's website. I added the PRS 505 to my shopping cart and in the basket was a "Promotional Discount" of $45.00. Let the prices continue to fall!
Total without tax is at $254.99.
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