Why 2+ GB Cards? - Page 3

athlonkmf · 04-17-2008, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Striking Claw

I think this is a strange discussion on a forum for ebook readers. You could just as well ask why does anybody need an ebook reader when there are so many paper books around which are much cheaper to by than an ebook reader.

Why is it so difficult to accept that everybody is using his ebook reader differently and therefore has different needs.

It's indeed ironic that those who embrace new technology are also blind to the need for technical improvements.

junior · 04-17-2008, 03:50 PM

There is the possibility to create Mobilpocket Creator in a container (PRC) with several ebooks, PRC simple example below, using HiperLink?

Cybook nosi?

Jellby · 04-18-2008, 07:02 AM

Not every eBook is around 1MB in size. I can easily generate normal eBooks in PDF format which are 10MB or more, especially if I include illustrations. That's only 200 eBooks in a 2GB card.

Besides, there are other things one may want to store in a card, not just eBooks. There's pictures and images, there's music and audiobooks, there's source files and master copies of eBooks generated by oneself. And why stop there? Why could't someone expect to carry backups, special software, etc in a single card when traveling?

That said, I don't particularly need a card larger than 2GB now, but I can see some use in that.

Ortep · 04-18-2008, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Jellby

Why could't someone expect to carry backups, special software, etc in a single card when traveling?

Because dat defeats the purpose of a backup completely. You have a 'single point of failure' If that card fails you loose everything. I travel a lot and I carry multiple SD cards, at least one pendrive and a USB 2.5 inch drive. That sounds silly, but on my last trip I almost lost 500 pictures. Three of the backups ware damaged. I could only get everything back because I could combine the undamaged parts.

JSWolf · 04-18-2008, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by SciFiBill

Ok, I'll concede the image files, as they could bankrupt a smaller card rather quickly. I must say though, you must have excellent eyesight, as I tried to read a .jpg manga on mine, and I quickly had to stop. No way was I able to read the "mumbles" and “thought balloons”. As for huge collections of books, I must agree with above that without a proper index scheme (I.e... A B C ->C ->Clarke, Cooper, Crandon ...And then a book bibliography under the author, or a Quick and Easy browse function (? maybe text only, no graphics?), it is too unwieldy to attempt navigation of hundreds, much less thousands of books. Once we’ve tackled the browse/index problems, I will be able to understand the need. But I am not expecting to see the above happen in these first generation readers – And I’ll be happy to see them implemented as early as in the third (when I hope to be buying my next).

The 505 has an index scheme mostly like you mention. Plus it also has collections. So from that standpoint, the 505 would be easier to deal with more content then most.

athlonkmf · 04-18-2008, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by SciFiBill

Ok, I'll concede the image files, as they could bankrupt a smaller card rather quickly. I must say though, you must have excellent eyesight, as I tried to read a .jpg manga on mine, and I quickly had to stop. No way was I able to read the "mumbles" and “thought balloons”.

Excellent eyesight? Nah, if you can read a normal book, you can read manga on eink:

Jellby · 04-18-2008, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Ortep

Because dat defeats the purpose of a backup completely. You have a 'single point of failure' If that card fails you loose everything.

I didn't say it would be the only backup, but it could be just another backup of some things you might need/want while traveling.

Shenzhov · 04-19-2008, 10:07 AM

"I would like to hear one really valid excuse for needing 500+ eBooks available at one time."

Personally I think that's the point in having a library. I have thousands upon thousands of real books on the shelves in my home. I'm always picking up things people recommend and that I find interesting. It does not mean I'm going to read them today or this weekend, but when the mood hits at 10 pm on a Saturday night, you have the book to read. Barnes and Noble is closed, Amazon is 3 days away, but it you have it on a shelf, you pull it and begin reading.
I think ebooks are no different. You can build a collection the same way and have things at hand when you want them. The current problem as we know with this generation of technology has to do with the managing of all that information.
Smaller cards may be a better option and might perhaps be easier to organize. I'd hate to have my entire collection on one card, only to find out the card was bad one day upon turing on my reader. You might have it all backed up on your computer, but that's no help if you are on a trip and your backup is 2000 miles away.

JSWolf · 04-19-2008, 11:20 AM

Shenzhov, that too is an excellent reason for using multiple smaller cards then one big card.

yvanleterrible · 04-19-2008, 11:40 AM

Some people don't want to admit it but they like to show off the possibilities of eink readers that can allow to keep their whole libraries with them.

And then there is the turtle syndrome where you see people commuting with their RVs, just to have easy access to their possessions. The same with the big four-bys and the huge trailer behind. This category applies also to the school kids strainig their backs with that huge packsack containing ALL their book.

And then there is the spoiled impatient type who will be unhappy for the rest of his life because he did not get to read the book he wanted when he wanted.

For those who are far from home and absolutely need to read a certain book well there are millions of places where you can connect and buy the friggin book from multiple sites.

Grow up! Stop makin'up excuses and face up, join RA (readers anonymous)

cmbs · 04-19-2008, 02:21 PM

I believe I recently read on one of these threads that the Sony lets you have 10gb storage space. The Iliad wiki page says it supports 32gb cards. The kindle wiki page says it supports 4gb cards.

I think if you bought a cybook, you have no excuse to complain that it only supports 2gb cards. If you felt you needed more space, you should have bought a different reader. Or if the cybook had other features you wanted more than the extra space, then that is just a choice you made. Stop complaining about it.

I also think that having to carry a second card is so extremely opposite of a hardship that there is really no excuse to complain about it like it's going to ruin your life. Be glad you have the option of carrying all the cards you want to.

I also think that nobody needs thousands of books at one given time, unless you're a salesman going around showing off the abilities of the cybook (which will only show how bad the library navigation is anyway), or some other such reason. As far as having reading materials on hand, you do not need thousands of books at all times. You are capable of selecting some you may want to read, or need to look up something on this week. It's not that difficult. So you didn't bring every book you own. Read one of the several hundred you brought.

Saying you don't have enough space because you put software and source files and whatever else on the card is equally ridiculous. You can't access those without a computer, so if you have a computer, then you have the space to put your files, and the ability to manipulate the files on the card. There is no reason to put files the cybook can't read on the card, and then complain because there isn't enough room on the card for your books!

Saying you have a collection at home and therefore need thousands of books when away from home is also pointless. Do you have all your paper books when away from home? Well, you may or may not have all your ebooks when you're away from home. You can have all your ebooks, but oh my god, it might require more than one card. How will you ever manage to carry a second card everywhere?

sheesh.

Anyone have a valid reason why you require thousands of books at the same time, all the time; AND you are incapable of carrying more than one card to accomplish that goal; AND you chose to purchase a cybook?

pilotbob · 04-19-2008, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by cmbs

Anyone have a valid reason why you require thousands of books at the same time, all the time; AND you are incapable of carrying more than one card to accomplish that goal; AND you chose to purchase a cybook?

It is amazing that people feel that their opinions and the way they think and feel should be blanketly applied to the rest of the world.

You can't ask people the opinons and reasons and then totally dismiss them and call them invalid because you don't agree with them. Well, I take that back you "can" just like other people can want to have their full library with them.

BOb

cmbs · 04-19-2008, 02:45 PM

They can have their full library with them, but it may take more than one card. They knew this when they purchased the cybook (if they didn't then they didn't do their research before buying and shame on them- completely their choice and their own fault) and therefore it's pretty lame to make that decision and then complain about it. I have no problem with wanting to have your full library with you (even though I don't, and won't - unless someone can come up with a darn good reason beyond you want to, believe anyone needs thousands of books with them all the time), my problem is that they made the choice and then they are complaining about it.

JSWolf · 04-19-2008, 02:48 PM

But to be honest, I'd like to read answers to cmbs' questions. They seem rather logical to me.

pieter · 04-19-2008, 03:21 PM

You guys sound like those people that say that nobody should need or want to read books on an electronic device...

04-19-2008, 02:21 PM	#41
cmbs non-believer Posts: 384 Karma: 713 Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: USA Device: Cybook Gen 3, JetBook Lite	I believe I recently read on one of these threads that the Sony lets you have 10gb storage space. The Iliad wiki page says it supports 32gb cards. The kindle wiki page says it supports 4gb cards. I think if you bought a cybook, you have no excuse to complain that it only supports 2gb cards. If you felt you needed more space, you should have bought a different reader. Or if the cybook had other features you wanted more than the extra space, then that is just a choice you made. Stop complaining about it. I also think that having to carry a second card is so extremely opposite of a hardship that there is really no excuse to complain about it like it's going to ruin your life. Be glad you have the option of carrying all the cards you want to. I also think that nobody needs thousands of books at one given time, unless you're a salesman going around showing off the abilities of the cybook (which will only show how bad the library navigation is anyway), or some other such reason. As far as having reading materials on hand, you do not need thousands of books at all times. You are capable of selecting some you may want to read, or need to look up something on this week. It's not that difficult. So you didn't bring every book you own. Read one of the several hundred you brought. Saying you don't have enough space because you put software and source files and whatever else on the card is equally ridiculous. You can't access those without a computer, so if you have a computer, then you have the space to put your files, and the ability to manipulate the files on the card. There is no reason to put files the cybook can't read on the card, and then complain because there isn't enough room on the card for your books! Saying you have a collection at home and therefore need thousands of books when away from home is also pointless. Do you have all your paper books when away from home? Well, you may or may not have all your ebooks when you're away from home. You can have all your ebooks, but oh my god, it might require more than one card. How will you ever manage to carry a second card everywhere? sheesh. Anyone have a valid reason why you require thousands of books at the same time, all the time; AND you are incapable of carrying more than one card to accomplish that goal; AND you chose to purchase a cybook? Last edited by cmbs; 04-19-2008 at 02:59 PM.

04-19-2008, 02:45 PM	#43
cmbs non-believer Posts: 384 Karma: 713 Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: USA Device: Cybook Gen 3, JetBook Lite	They can have their full library with them, but it may take more than one card. They knew this when they purchased the cybook (if they didn't then they didn't do their research before buying and shame on them- completely their choice and their own fault) and therefore it's pretty lame to make that decision and then complain about it. I have no problem with wanting to have your full library with you (even though I don't, and won't - unless someone can come up with a darn good reason beyond you want to, believe anyone needs thousands of books with them all the time), my problem is that they made the choice and then they are complaining about it. Last edited by cmbs; 04-19-2008 at 03:18 PM.

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04-18-2008, 07:02 AM	#33
Jellby frumious Bandersnatch Posts: 7,546 Karma: 19001583 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Spaniard in Sweden Device: Cybook Orizon, Kobo Aura	Not every eBook is around 1MB in size. I can easily generate normal eBooks in PDF format which are 10MB or more, especially if I include illustrations. That's only 200 eBooks in a 2GB card. Besides, there are other things one may want to store in a card, not just eBooks. There's pictures and images, there's music and audiobooks, there's source files and master copies of eBooks generated by oneself. And why stop there? Why could't someone expect to carry backups, special software, etc in a single card when traveling? That said, I don't particularly need a card larger than 2GB now, but I can see some use in that.

04-19-2008, 10:07 AM	#38
Shenzhov Enthusiast Posts: 27 Karma: 10 Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Southern California Device: Kindle 2	"I would like to hear one really valid excuse for needing 500+ eBooks available at one time." Personally I think that's the point in having a library. I have thousands upon thousands of real books on the shelves in my home. I'm always picking up things people recommend and that I find interesting. It does not mean I'm going to read them today or this weekend, but when the mood hits at 10 pm on a Saturday night, you have the book to read. Barnes and Noble is closed, Amazon is 3 days away, but it you have it on a shelf, you pull it and begin reading. I think ebooks are no different. You can build a collection the same way and have things at hand when you want them. The current problem as we know with this generation of technology has to do with the managing of all that information. Smaller cards may be a better option and might perhaps be easier to organize. I'd hate to have my entire collection on one card, only to find out the card was bad one day upon turing on my reader. You might have it all backed up on your computer, but that's no help if you are on a trip and your backup is 2000 miles away.

04-19-2008, 11:20 AM	#39
JSWolf Resident Curmudgeon Posts: 79,657 Karma: 145864619 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts Device: Kobo Libra 2, Kobo Aura H2O, PRS-650, PRS-T1, nook STR, PW3	Shenzhov, that too is an excellent reason for using multiple smaller cards then one big card.

04-19-2008, 11:40 AM	#40
yvanleterrible Reborn Paper User Posts: 8,616 Karma: 15446734 Join Date: May 2006 Location: Que Nada Device: iPhone8, iPad Air	Some people don't want to admit it but they like to show off the possibilities of eink readers that can allow to keep their whole libraries with them. And then there is the turtle syndrome where you see people commuting with their RVs, just to have easy access to their possessions. The same with the big four-bys and the huge trailer behind. This category applies also to the school kids strainig their backs with that huge packsack containing ALL their book. And then there is the spoiled impatient type who will be unhappy for the rest of his life because he did not get to read the book he wanted when he wanted. For those who are far from home and absolutely need to read a certain book well there are millions of places where you can connect and buy the friggin book from multiple sites. Grow up! Stop makin'up excuses and face up, join RA (readers anonymous)

04-19-2008, 02:48 PM	#44
JSWolf Resident Curmudgeon Posts: 79,657 Karma: 145864619 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts Device: Kobo Libra 2, Kobo Aura H2O, PRS-650, PRS-T1, nook STR, PW3	But to be honest, I'd like to read answers to cmbs' questions. They seem rather logical to me.

04-19-2008, 03:21 PM	#45
pieter Connoisseur Posts: 59 Karma: 501 Join Date: Mar 2008 Device: CyBook Gen3	You guys sound like those people that say that nobody should need or want to read books on an electronic device...

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