time left in chapter totally wrong.... - Page 3

sirmaru · 10-25-2013, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by shahvikram123

Was this the a game of thrones book by any chance? because I've been getting the same issues with the game of thrones book. If so, maybe it depends on the book too…

I mentioned to you in another thread that you should do repeated searches on large eBooks until the yellow line at the top disappears. Then the eBook will function correctly on the PW 2013.

I am not sure if this will work on the PW 2012.

jswinden · 10-25-2013, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by shahvikram123

Was this the a game of thrones book by any chance? because I've been getting the same issues with the game of thrones book. If so, maybe it depends on the book too…

No, it is a large 1100 page biography. This book is well done as far as HTML and CSS. I do agree that if you have a book that has strange HTML or CSS it might confuse the FW. For example, some books have very long chapters and occasionally split a chapter across multiple HTML files. That might confuse the FW. And some books don't use H1 tags to start a chapter. That might also confuse the FW.

Katsunami · 10-25-2013, 11:37 AM

As far as I can see, the KPW treats each file as a chapter. A map in a fantasy book always has "1 minute left" on the bottom.

jswinden · 10-25-2013, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Katsunami

As far as I can see, the KPW treats each file as a chapter. A map in a fantasy book always has "1 minute left" on the bottom.

It probably does. I think Sony, Adobe, or ePub standard at one time placed a limit on the individual HTML file sizes. If the chapter didn't fit within that size limit, the publisher had to split it into two or more files. As a result, we still see some chapters split into multiple files when they probably don't need to be. Perhaps that is built into the software they use to write the books. Mostly though I suspect it is just poor publishing skills.

Katsunami · 10-25-2013, 03:23 PM

IIRC, Calibre splits pages after 260KB of text. That's a lot of text for one chapter already.

But yes, this sort of stuff is the reason why the Kindle messes up sometimes. You're reading, and it says "50 minutes to end of chapter", then read, suddenly it jumps from "1 minute to end of chapter" back to "10 minutes to end of chapter" (while you're still in the same chapter). Stuff such as maps and short intro's and such sometimes *really* messes it up.

RDaneel54 · 10-25-2013, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by sirmaru

Everyone of my Amazon purchased eBooks have those 4 options on the PW 2013. You are correct in that the PW 2012 did NOT have all those options on many books Page numbers were not available in all of them.

However, page numbers ARE available in all of them on the PW 2013. The firmware may have changed. Maybe the PW 2012 will get a firmware upgrade to match the PW 2013.

I just did a sample of nine of my Amazon books, four had the page number option. This is not a universal selection. Genres include science fiction, biography, history, Bible study, mystery.

Obviously, YMMV.

sirmaru · 10-25-2013, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by RDaneel54

I just did a sample of nine of my Amazon books, four had the page number option. This is not a universal selection. Genres include science fiction, biography, history, Bible study, mystery.

Obviously, YMMV.

I just checked again. The 3 volume Manchester biography of Churchill does not have them while the recent publication, "Dirty Wars," does have them. Some of my other eBooks only have 2 of the 4 options.

Thus, the amount of options ranges from 2 to 4 and its possible the older published eBooks are missing one or two of them.

jswinden · 10-25-2013, 04:33 PM

The publisher/author has to include page numbers in the book before this option can display. I think page numbers are in a separate file. Any old Amazon books that have not been updated since the introduction of page numbers to the system, will of course not have them. Those Manchester volumes are really old. I read them in pBooks 30 years ago I think. Well the first two anyway.

If a book on Amazon.com has page numbers included, there is a notice in the book description saying it has real page numbers included.

Katsunami · 10-25-2013, 04:58 PM

Just use Calibre and the Count Pages plugin, and you can have pages as short or long as you want, and page numbers in every book, no matter if the original book had them or not

HarryT · 10-26-2013, 04:33 AM

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Originally Posted by jswinden

The publisher/author has to include page numbers in the book before this option can display. I think page numbers are in a separate file. Any old Amazon books that have not been updated since the introduction of page numbers to the system, will of course not have them.

But Calibre can generate them for any book.

jswinden · 10-26-2013, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

But Calibre can generate them for any book.

The calibre generated page numbers are NOT the same. Calibre generates page numbers base on a number of characters. These do NOT match the actual page numbers found in the printed version of the book. The actual page numbers might not be necessary in many/most cases, but if they are in important to some one say in a classroom setting, then calibre page numbers will be as useless as location numbers.

Katsunami · 10-26-2013, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by jswinden

The calibre generated page numbers are NOT the same. Calibre generates page numbers base on a number of characters. These do NOT match the actual page numbers found in the printed version of the book. The actual page numbers might not be necessary in many/most cases, but if they are in important to some one say in a classroom setting, then calibre page numbers will be as useless as location numbers.

True enough, but I think that not too many people are going to use novels in a classroom setting, apart from language teachers. And even then, they'd have the possibility of all loading the same novel using the same page number setting in Calibre.

sirmaru · 10-26-2013, 03:28 PM

When authors reference other works, can they use Amazon location numbers or are they restricted to paper page numbers?

Katsunami · 10-26-2013, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by sirmaru

When authors reference other works, can they use Amazon location numbers or are they restricted to paper page numbers?

If referring to a specific version of the ebook, such as "Book X, produced by Y in May 2012", then one can use Amazon location numbers. The locations for that book will stay the same, independent of used Kindle, font type or font size.

I do not know if Amazon keeps the locations the same between different versions of the book, but I doubt that. Even if you'd add only a copyright page, or an introduction by another writer or something in a new edition, the location numbers would change.

BeeTee-Ess · 10-26-2013, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by sirmaru

Everyone of my Amazon purchased eBooks have those 4 options on the PW 2013. You are correct in that the PW 2012 did NOT have all those options on many books Page numbers were not available in all of them.

However, page numbers ARE available in all of them on the PW 2013. The firmware may have changed. Maybe the PW 2012 will get a firmware upgrade to match the PW 2013.

I have a PW2, but very few of my books come from Amazon.

As I said, it depends upon the book.

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10-25-2013, 11:37 AM	#33
Katsunami Grand Sorcerer Posts: 6,111 Karma: 34000001 Join Date: Mar 2008 Device: KPW1, KA1	As far as I can see, the KPW treats each file as a chapter. A map in a fantasy book always has "1 minute left" on the bottom.

10-25-2013, 03:23 PM	#35
Katsunami Grand Sorcerer Posts: 6,111 Karma: 34000001 Join Date: Mar 2008 Device: KPW1, KA1	IIRC, Calibre splits pages after 260KB of text. That's a lot of text for one chapter already. But yes, this sort of stuff is the reason why the Kindle messes up sometimes. You're reading, and it says "50 minutes to end of chapter", then read, suddenly it jumps from "1 minute to end of chapter" back to "10 minutes to end of chapter" (while you're still in the same chapter). Stuff such as maps and short intro's and such sometimes really messes it up.

10-25-2013, 04:33 PM	#38
jswinden Nameless Being	The publisher/author has to include page numbers in the book before this option can display. I think page numbers are in a separate file. Any old Amazon books that have not been updated since the introduction of page numbers to the system, will of course not have them. Those Manchester volumes are really old. I read them in pBooks 30 years ago I think. Well the first two anyway. If a book on Amazon.com has page numbers included, there is a notice in the book description saying it has real page numbers included.

10-25-2013, 04:58 PM	#39
Katsunami Grand Sorcerer Posts: 6,111 Karma: 34000001 Join Date: Mar 2008 Device: KPW1, KA1	Just use Calibre and the Count Pages plugin, and you can have pages as short or long as you want, and page numbers in every book, no matter if the original book had them or not

10-26-2013, 03:28 PM	#43
sirmaru Wizard Posts: 2,426 Karma: 6561538 Join Date: Nov 2007 Device: Kindle PW 2013, HDX 2013, Galaxy S5 2014	When authors reference other works, can they use Amazon location numbers or are they restricted to paper page numbers?

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