Comparison survey between PW1 and PW2 screens - Page 3

JoHunt · 10-06-2013, 01:38 AM

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Originally Posted by jswinden

There are so many questions because saying I like this one better than that one makes no sense to anyone but you. It leaves us with this thought:

We really need to quantify the reasons one is better than the other. Some people are on the fence trying to decide whether to get a PW2. Each person will place an emphasis on items unique to their tastes. For one the most important emphasis might be font darkness/thickness. For another it might be whether there are pin holes or dust. For another it might be whether there color blobs. So this survey is NOT designed to say one is better than the other, but to let us see how many think a particular screen issue or characteristic is better on one than the other.

LOL I doubt whether anyone is going to be swayed one way or the other by this poll. Everyone sees things differently so only first hand perceptions will have any influence.

soulfuldog · 10-06-2013, 04:45 AM

Choice is good, but too much choice can be a little overwhelming!

You could trim it down by removing some superfluous options like fewer/same/more pinholes (isn't it enough that it's either got them or not), the 3 different light settings in relation to the whiteness of the screen (just leave the low light choice) and the font thickness. That'd cut down the options by 12... though even then probably still too many for some

Not that I have voted since I don't own a PW.....

pdurrant · 10-06-2013, 06:24 AM

I think the results show that the screen is much improved overall, except that pinholes are just as common.

JSWolf · 10-06-2013, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by sirmaru

Some folks are spending hours and days to find all the cosmetic irregularities on the PW 2013 even going to constructing full black and white cards to display to catch them, using flashlights and magnifying glasses, high priced cameras with very high magnification and varying the device lighting and ambient light settings.

People pay good money for a Reader and they want one without any noticeable defects. It's fully understandable.

sirmaru · 10-06-2013, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

People pay good money for a Reader and they want one without any noticeable defects. It's fully understandable.

What we would want and what we can actually get are two different things. We must choose from what is available at any moment in time at the prices we are willing to pay.

The PW 2013 for its price is the best available eReader on the market today.

You can check others here:

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2400310,00.asp

All have minor defects and each of us must make our own choices.

xendula · 10-07-2013, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Ocicat

May I add...on the PW1 screen, bottom of LEFT side, I and others had a 1" vertical light bleed.

My PW2 does not have it, BUT a couple posters mentionned having one on the RIGHT side.

Great survey!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bookworm_Girl

Good point. My PW1 has light bleed on both bottom left & right but left is brighter. I also saw photos last year where some people had it at top. Of the 3 PW2s that I tried, 2 have it on the right side.

The first PW2 they sent me had the light bleed on the left, the replacement has no light bleed.

xendula · 10-07-2013, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by allowingtoo

Where is the Yellow Screen question? I see "With light level high, my PW2 screen is whiter/creamier/lighter than my PW1 screen" but I can't answer that. If it said "creamier/darker than my PW1" then I could. But not whiter. Of course you do give us the "Greyer/Darker" option.

True

my second one is yellow.

xendula · 10-07-2013, 12:51 AM

Great poll, Jack. I find some things improved over the PW1 screen, some things the opposite, so your poll about covers everything, except the yellow screens on some of the PW2s.

I say, if anyone does not like this poll, they can go create their own.

Dee Q · 10-09-2013, 12:07 AM

Ain't nobody got time fo dat? LOL, just kidding. The poll looks... intimidating, though. :P

I've watched several in-depth reviews on the new PP and carefully examined all the photos posted on our forum and come to the conclusion that the new PP is just gorgeous and obviously better than the previous one. I'll get her on Oct 15, yay!!!

Indigo121 · 10-09-2013, 03:20 AM

Very interesting poll. At tad on the OCD side...

The conclusions are mixed- Without light, looking at the different generations of eink alone, it seems eink Carta is not better.

But when the lights go one, they are more uniform and the background is lighter.
But the text doesn't necessarily have more contrast... so what's the point?

Another conclusion- as in PW1, variations in the same model are great, and its sadly somewhat of a lottery. They rushed it into production for greed. Yet again.

"light shadow effect"- what is that? The blotchiness?

haydnfan · 10-09-2013, 09:15 AM

I have a PW2 because I couldn't wait. The first part of the poll is contradictory. The font can be less black but still have more contrast, which is actually the case with my PW2. It has slightly less dark font as compared to the PW1, but much brighter white (the background) making the contrast better than the PW1.

You can't really lump blacker with more contrast, it doesn't work that way. Contrast is the ratio of white to black, which can be achieved with either blacker blacks, whiter whites or both.

fearindex · 10-09-2013, 09:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sirmaru

What we would want and what we can actually get are two different things. We must choose from what is available at any moment in time at the prices we are willing to pay.

The PW 2013 for its price is the best available eReader on the market today.

You can check others here:

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2400310,00.asp

All have minor defects and each of us must make our own choices.

I don't think people are going looking for trouble with the PW1/2. They are checking and discussing them because since the first PW release, trouble found them by itself. Nobody wants to hate a product, but I'd wager most that did, did so because they just couldn't be comfortable reading on it - and only then started analyzing deeply what it was about, what to do to lessen/remedy the issue etc.

Buying tip: If you are sensitive to the screen, the baby Kindle is even cheaper and has a much more consistent screen experience - very black text to boot. That is, if you can deal with case or external lighting of course.

HarryT · 10-09-2013, 10:34 AM

Having just received my PW2, the screen is (to my eyes) significantly better. The text is just as black as my PW1, but the background is distinctly lighter. The screen has a very pale yellow tint which I really like - it's a lot "warmer" than the PW1; if I had to describe it I'd say it's a similar colour to that of the paper on which most paperback books are printed.

Bookworm_Girl · 10-09-2013, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Indigo121

Yet again.
"light shadow effect"- what is that? The blotchiness?

I assumed it meant the shadows on the bottoms of the screen from the lights. On my PW1 it was very pronounced like theatrical stage lighting and created a diamond pattern of light and dark. However my PW2 has only a small amount of shadowing.

HarryT · 10-10-2013, 04:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Bookworm_Girl

I assumed it meant the shadows on the bottoms of the screen from the lights. On my PW1 it was very pronounced like theatrical stage lighting and created a diamond pattern of light and dark.

Even with the light on low? On my PW1, the shadow cones are only visible when the light is on high, or I'm in a dark room, and even then they are only visible on the bottom few mm of the screen. Doesn't affect the area of the screen on which the text is displayed at all.

View Poll Results: Please choose all appropriate statements
My PW2 text is lighter (less black/dark/contrast) than my PW1 text	9	25.00%
My PW2 text is equal in blackness/darkness/contrast to my PW1 text	14	38.89%
My PW2 text is darker (more black/dark/contrast) than my PW1 text	10	27.78%
With light level low, my PW2 screen is whiter/creamier/lighter than my PW1 screen	20	55.56%
With light level low, my PW2 screen is equal in whiteness/grey to my PW1 screen	4	11.11%
With light level low, my PW2 screen is greyer/darker than my PW1 screen	4	11.11%
With light level medium, my PW2 screen is whiter/creamier/lighter than my PW1 screen	24	66.67%
With light level medium, my PW2 screen is equal in whiteness/grey to my PW1 screen	1	2.78%
With light level medium, my PW2 screen is greyer/darker than my PW1 screen	2	5.56%
With light level high, my PW2 screen is whiter/creamier/lighter than my PW1 screen	22	61.11%
With light level high, my PW2 screen is equal in whiteness/grey to my PW1 screen	1	2.78%
With light level high, my PW2 screen is greyer/darker than my PW1 screen	3	8.33%
Over all, my PW2 screen has less light shadow effect than my PW1 screen	29	80.56%
Over all, my PW2 screen has equal light shadow effect to my PW1 screen	2	5.56%
Over all, my PW2 screen has more light shadow effect than my PW1 screen	1	2.78%
Over all, my PW2 screen has less color blob effect than my PW1 screen	25	69.44%
Over all, my PW2 screen has equal color blob effect to my PW1 screen	1	2.78%
Over all, my PW2 screen has more color blob effect than my PW1 screen	1	2.78%
My PW1 screen has no light pin holes but my PW2 screen does	7	19.44%
My PW2 screen has no light pin holes but my PW1 screen does	3	8.33%
My PW1 and PW2 screens have no light pin holes	23	63.89%
Over all, my PW2 screen has fewer light pin holes than my PW1 screen	0	0%
Over all, my PW2 screen has the same # of light pin holes as my PW1 screen	2	5.56%
Over all, my PW2 screen has more light pin holes than my PW1 screen	7	19.44%
The fonts on my PW1 are thinner than the fonts on my PW2	4	11.11%
The fonts on my PW1 are the same thickness as the fonts on my PW2	21	58.33%
The fonts on my PW1 are thicker than the fonts on my PW2	4	11.11%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 36. You may not vote on this poll

10-09-2013, 03:20 AM	#40
Indigo121 Enthusiast Posts: 41 Karma: 11516 Join Date: Mar 2012 Device: Nook	Conclusions from the poll- Very interesting poll. At tad on the OCD side... The conclusions are mixed- Without light, looking at the different generations of eink alone, it seems eink Carta is not better. But when the lights go one, they are more uniform and the background is lighter. But the text doesn't necessarily have more contrast... so what's the point? Another conclusion- as in PW1, variations in the same model are great, and its sadly somewhat of a lottery. They rushed it into production for greed. Yet again. "light shadow effect"- what is that? The blotchiness? Last edited by Indigo121; 10-09-2013 at 03:44 AM.

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10-06-2013, 04:45 AM	#32
soulfuldog I ♥ Calibre Posts: 2,073 Karma: 5678911 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: UK Device: Kindle Oasis, Voyage, Sony PRS-350, Hudl2	Choice is good, but too much choice can be a little overwhelming! You could trim it down by removing some superfluous options like fewer/same/more pinholes (isn't it enough that it's either got them or not), the 3 different light settings in relation to the whiteness of the screen (just leave the low light choice) and the font thickness. That'd cut down the options by 12... though even then probably still too many for some Not that I have voted since I don't own a PW.....

10-06-2013, 06:24 AM	#33
pdurrant The Grand Mouse 高貴的老鼠 Posts: 73,979 Karma: 315160596 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Norfolk, England Device: Kindle Oasis	I think the results show that the screen is much improved overall, except that pinholes are just as common.

10-07-2013, 12:51 AM	#38
xendula eBookworm Posts: 2,300 Karma: 4525746 Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: East Coast brrrrr Device: Kindle 4B/K ~ Nexus 7 ~ Kindle Paperwhite 1&2 ~ iPad Air	Great poll, Jack. I find some things improved over the PW1 screen, some things the opposite, so your poll about covers everything, except the yellow screens on some of the PW2s. I say, if anyone does not like this poll, they can go create their own.

10-09-2013, 12:07 AM	#39
Dee Q Born Yesterday Posts: 134 Karma: 2744112 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Vietnam Device: Kobo Libra 2 & Kindle Scribe & Kindle 2022	Ain't nobody got time fo dat? LOL, just kidding. The poll looks... intimidating, though. :P I've watched several in-depth reviews on the new PP and carefully examined all the photos posted on our forum and come to the conclusion that the new PP is just gorgeous and obviously better than the previous one. I'll get her on Oct 15, yay!!!

10-09-2013, 09:15 AM	#41
haydnfan Guru Posts: 650 Karma: 5632364 Join Date: Dec 2011 Device: Kindle PW 4, Oasis 2	I have a PW2 because I couldn't wait. The first part of the poll is contradictory. The font can be less black but still have more contrast, which is actually the case with my PW2. It has slightly less dark font as compared to the PW1, but much brighter white (the background) making the contrast better than the PW1. You can't really lump blacker with more contrast, it doesn't work that way. Contrast is the ratio of white to black, which can be achieved with either blacker blacks, whiter whites or both.

10-09-2013, 10:34 AM	#43
HarryT eBook Enthusiast Posts: 85,545 Karma: 93383099 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6	Having just received my PW2, the screen is (to my eyes) significantly better. The text is just as black as my PW1, but the background is distinctly lighter. The screen has a very pale yellow tint which I really like - it's a lot "warmer" than the PW1; if I had to describe it I'd say it's a similar colour to that of the paper on which most paperback books are printed.

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