Register Guidelines E-Books Today's Posts Search

Go Back   MobileRead Forums > E-Book General > General Discussions

Notices

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 08-27-2013, 02:21 PM   #31
HarryT
eBook Enthusiast
HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
HarryT's Avatar
 
Posts: 85,544
Karma: 93383099
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: UK
Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6
Quote:
Originally Posted by Elfwreck View Post
Since Lenz v Universal, it's been established that copyright holders are legally required to consider fair use before issuing a DMCA takedown notice. Issuing one without that does indeed make for a "bogus" takedown--one not based on application law, but on the premise that a host will take down the content regardless of the validity of the notice.
I don't know what evidence you have to suggest that the copyright holder did not consider the question of fair use, and reach the conclusion that it was not fair use. Whether or not use of the tune constitutes fair use is the whole question under debate, so clearly opinions on the matter differ.
HarryT is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-27-2013, 06:14 PM   #32
Elfwreck
Grand Sorcerer
Elfwreck ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Elfwreck ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Elfwreck ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Elfwreck ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Elfwreck ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Elfwreck ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Elfwreck ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Elfwreck ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Elfwreck ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Elfwreck ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Elfwreck ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Elfwreck's Avatar
 
Posts: 5,187
Karma: 25133758
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: SF Bay Area, California, USA
Device: Pocketbook Touch HD3 (Past: Kobo Mini, PEZ, PRS-505, Clié)
Quote:
Originally Posted by HarryT View Post
I don't know what evidence you have to suggest that the copyright holder did not consider the question of fair use, and reach the conclusion that it was not fair use. Whether or not use of the tune constitutes fair use is the whole question under debate, so clearly opinions on the matter differ.
Can't be certain, but Lessig's complaint mentions how the song was used:
Quote:
25. The lecture included several clips of amateur music videos in order to illustrate cultural developments in the age of the Internet.
26. One set of clips was taken from videos created by amateurs around the world, each of which depicts groups of people dancing to the same song, “Lisztomania,” by the band Phoenix.
27. The “Lisztomania” copycat video phenomenon started when a YouTube user, called “avoidant consumer,” posted on YouTube a video combining scenes from several movies, with the song “Lisztomania” serving as the soundtrack to the video.
28. Inspired by avoidant consumer’s work, other YouTube users from around the world, located in places as disparate as Brooklyn and San Francisco as well as Latvia, Kenya, Brazil and Israel, created their own versions of the video, with real people “performing” the roles of the actors in the original movies, and again with “Lisztomania” as the soundtrack.
29. Professor Lessig included these clips in the “Open” lecture to illustrate how young people are using videos and other tools to create and communicate via the Internet.
That looks like a solid example of fair use, even more than Lenz v Universal. He's using the song in other media as an example of a cultural phenomenon, for educational purposes.

It'll be interesting to see the response to find out how Liberation Music tries to claim that's not fair use. It's possible that they considered it, and decided that no, this really is infringement; that would be a fascinating explanation.
Elfwreck is offline   Reply With Quote
Advert
Old 08-28-2013, 09:38 AM   #33
Ninjalawyer
Guru
Ninjalawyer ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Ninjalawyer ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Ninjalawyer ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Ninjalawyer ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Ninjalawyer ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Ninjalawyer ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Ninjalawyer ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Ninjalawyer ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Ninjalawyer ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Ninjalawyer ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Ninjalawyer ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Ninjalawyer's Avatar
 
Posts: 826
Karma: 18573626
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Canada
Device: Kobo Touch, Nexus 7 (2013)
Quote:
Originally Posted by HarryT View Post
I don't know what evidence you have to suggest that the copyright holder did not consider the question of fair use, and reach the conclusion that it was not fair use. Whether or not use of the tune constitutes fair use is the whole question under debate, so clearly opinions on the matter differ.
I haven't read through this entire thread, but I am familiar with Lessig's argument and the filings he's made. With that said, he can be fairly sure it's a bogus takedown because what he did is clearly fair use under U.S. law; it's some brief clips used to illustrate a concept (including commentary from Lessig over the clips), it was for education and not a commercial purpose and there's no reasonable argument that it harmed the market for Lisztomania's song. If this isn't fair use, then the concept is essentially meaningless.

Really, this is s bog-standard case of a copyright holder using the U.S. DMCA takedown process inappropriately. It happens all the time because there's little consequence for copyright holders who jump the gun and start firing off takedown notices. The only thing that makes this case mildly interesting is that Lessig is suing for damages under the DMCA, something I'm not aware of anyone managing to do successfully in other cases of a bogus DMCA takedowns.

Last edited by Ninjalawyer; 08-28-2013 at 10:43 AM.
Ninjalawyer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-05-2014, 11:47 PM   #34
FizzyWater
You kids get off my lawn!
FizzyWater ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.FizzyWater ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.FizzyWater ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.FizzyWater ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.FizzyWater ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.FizzyWater ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.FizzyWater ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.FizzyWater ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.FizzyWater ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.FizzyWater ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.FizzyWater ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
FizzyWater's Avatar
 
Posts: 4,220
Karma: 73492664
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Columbus, Ohio
Device: Oasis 2 and Libra H2O and half a dozen older models I can't let go of
Hey, it looks like the professor counter-sued ... and won the case!

http://chronicle.com/blogs/ticker/ha...rd-label/73677
FizzyWater is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-06-2014, 02:21 AM   #35
EowynCarter
Wizard
EowynCarter ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.EowynCarter ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.EowynCarter ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.EowynCarter ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.EowynCarter ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.EowynCarter ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.EowynCarter ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.EowynCarter ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.EowynCarter ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.EowynCarter ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.EowynCarter ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Posts: 4,337
Karma: 4000000
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Paris
Device: Cybooks; Sony PRS-T1


Maybe they will think twice and won't be as trigger happy next time.
For once, they bumped into someone who could fight back.
EowynCarter is offline   Reply With Quote
Advert
Old 03-06-2014, 07:33 AM   #36
Ninjalawyer
Guru
Ninjalawyer ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Ninjalawyer ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Ninjalawyer ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Ninjalawyer ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Ninjalawyer ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Ninjalawyer ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Ninjalawyer ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Ninjalawyer ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Ninjalawyer ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Ninjalawyer ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Ninjalawyer ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Ninjalawyer's Avatar
 
Posts: 826
Karma: 18573626
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Canada
Device: Kobo Touch, Nexus 7 (2013)
Quote:
Originally Posted by FizzyWater View Post
Hey, it looks like the professor counter-sued ... and won the case!

http://chronicle.com/blogs/ticker/ha...rd-label/73677
In this case, "won" means settled. The counter notice system of the DMCA is totally lacking in teeth, and seems almost designed to make it arduous to successfully dispute a takedown notice. That said, this part is encouraging:

Quote:
The record label agreed that Mr. Lessig’s use of the song was fair use, and said it would “amend its copyright and YouTube policy to ensure that mistakes like this will not happen again.”
Ninjalawyer is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
TAKEDOWN - Thriller-Romantic Suspense AnnaM Self-Promotions by Authors and Publishers 1 03-26-2011 01:55 PM
W H Smith fights back — 66% of top 100 ebooks pdurrant News 47 09-21-2010 10:55 AM
Scribd gets DMCA takedown notice lilac_jive News 25 03-31-2009 01:01 PM
Bogus ads? Elsi Feedback 6 01-15-2009 05:18 AM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 08:43 PM.


MobileRead.com is a privately owned, operated and funded community.