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Old 07-26-2013, 11:15 AM   #31
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Has a woman ever been featured on a UK banknote just because she happened to be female?
Yes, the text sounds a little bit as if the most important consideration was the sex of the next person, or better, that she is of female sex.

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The choices can be political in part, but from what I've seen, the accomplishments (or royal position, if one makes a distinction) are real.
Thanks for this list! And I never doubted her accomplishments!
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I agree that they could have found a better quote, but it is nice that Jane Austen is there at all. And I sincerely hope she has made it onto a note because of herself and her writings and not only because she was a woman (the linked articles goes a little bit into this direction).
I am happy that she's there...but it could have been so much more. As I writer, they should have put her best writing out there.

I mean, if they did the same thing with the Euro and put Goethe on it, wouldn't you be disappointed if they didn't use a Götz v. Berlichingen quote? The famous one?
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What about them? What's the significant of "GAL"? It means nothing to me (except perhaps, as an abbreviation of "Gallon" ).
Here in the states when a man talks about his girlfriend he might call her his gal.
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Here in the states when a man talks about his girlfriend he might call her his gal.
Only if you are now old would you have called your girl a gal.
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There's no shame in being old until diapers are involved, as nearly everyone should have the good fortune to learn.

My grandmother used to call our cat a "sassy gal." Strangely, the creature didn't wink or wear garters.
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Good on old Jane. Imagine if she knew that one day she'd be on a ten pound note!

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It's fine, I guess...but it's really pretty generic. Lots of people have said that or similar, and I doubt many people would identify the quote with JA.

If they are going to put JA on the banknote, they should have the courage of their convictions and *also* put a well known quote from her on the note.

Of course the obvious candidate is It is a truth universally acknowledged, that a single man in possession of a good fortune must be in want of a wife.

That is the most famous JA quote. That would be great quote for any banknote; much better than the wishy-washy, namby-pamby pap they chose.

Although it wouldn't be my first choice, but I would even be okay if they made it gender neutral:

It is a truth universally acknowledged, that a single man or woman in possession of a good fortune must be in want of a spouse.
Well, with Austen's original quote, it's now incorrect because that single man may very well instead be in want of a husband.

But even making it gender neutral as you've done, it still wouldn't seem very correct for today's world. Perhaps a better quote would be, "It is a truth universally acknowledged, that a single person in possession of a good fortune must be in want of a shag."
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Well, with Austen's original quote, it's now incorrect because that single man may very well instead be in want of a husband.
Also, in that sentence, Austen is making light of the social expectations of her time.

If some banknote message finesser tried to make the language PC, then the reader wouldn't know (i) Austen was undercutting a conventional idea with light irony and (ii) that's how many people thought in Austen's time.

One of Austen's many gifts was the ability to maintain such a light tone that she could make social criticism seem as harmless as innocent humor.

The problem becomes obvious when you take the idea a bit further:

To make the entire book PC would be to lose crucial information about the world in which the characters lived and the specific commentary Austen was making about it. You'd also be changing the words of a great writer (however exhaustively edited in her time) for political reasons.

Political reasons which, however troublesome for the BoE, are not as important as the integrity and point of the sentence being quoted.
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I mean, if they did the same thing with the Euro and put Goethe on it, wouldn't you be disappointed if they didn't use a Götz v. Berlichingen quote? The famous one?
I would be very surprised if they would use anything of Götz von Berlichingen, especially the most famous quote!
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The first time I ever visited Berlin, I noticed that a fair number of people squinted if you praised Goethe at all. My impression was he's so revered that mentioning him can seem tedious.
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Perhaps a better quote would be, "It is a truth universally acknowledged, that a single person in possession of a good fortune must be in want of a shag."
I don't think I'd want one.



It would ruin the carpets, and think of all the fish you'd have to buy!
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I don't think I'd want one.



It would ruin the carpets, and think of all the fish you'd have to buy!
No, Harry, No. Obviously he meant that a man of good means would want a shag (pile carpet) and silk sheets. Gotta think of the luxury.

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Good on old Jane. Imagine if she knew that one day she'd be on a ten pound note!
Did 10 pound notes even exist back when she lived?
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Did 10 pound notes even exist back when she lived?
Yes, certainly. The Bank of England was founded in 1694, and the first £10 note was issued in 1759. Austen was born in 1775.
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