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Yes, me too! Someone did exactly that for the Sony PRST1 and added a separate user config file to fill in the 8 font-size values you wanted to use - not as extensive as Kobo's 24 values, but at least they were your personal 8-values. Worked a treat.
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I find that 25 or 24 size and 1.2 line spacing works well, and gets a reasonable number of lines on a page.
I speed-read, so I like to minimize page turns. |
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I have also tried setting it to 0.1, 1.0, 2.6 and 4. The 2.6 and 4 worked, but I need to redo the smaller test. I don't think they did, but my measurement was very crude. Plus I used different books which made it harder. Quote:
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Another tweak
I found this in the Developer section here - the issue being the large amount of wasted white space at the bottom of many pages, which is caused by foolish defaults for widow and orphan prevention.
In calibre, when converting a book, you can insert additional css which can override the existing settings in the book. In the Common Options/Look and Feel, Extra CSS panel, insert the following lines: p, body{ widows: 0; orphans: 0; } It seems to work well on epubs - for the first time, text uses all the usually-wasted white space at the bottom of the screen, and goes all the way down near the menu-bar area. You get several more lines/page and fewer page turns. BIG thanks to textchimp for this one! Last edited by EldRick; 12-03-2012 at 06:39 PM. |
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Wow, EldRick, wonderful tip! Not only does it fill the space at the bottom, but the margins are much smaller (had mine at zero and still there was a considerable margin. Now 0 is really 0). Thanks!
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I get, fairly consistently, 24 lines/page from epubs with "line-height: 1.2" for <p, <div, <td and <h\d, plus "widows: 0" & "orphans: 0", in the CSS.
Without those CSS entries for line-height, and with "readingLineHeight=1.2" in the .conf file, I get 23 lines/page. Explain that. Where I don't consistently get 24 lines/page is for "long" paragraphs, that is, any paragraph of more than about 300 words. The html renderer on the Kobo Touch, presumably ADE, usually decides to throw a "page-break" before a "long" paragraph and, for a "longer" paragraph, throws further "page-breaks" in the middle of the paragraph. (The Kobo Original did something similar for paragraphs of more than about 500 words.) The worst case is a "longer" paragraph at the start of a chapter: the successive screen "pages" display: 1. Chapter Title lines (2. 24 lines 3. 24 lines 4. 4 lines)... It can look quite awful, especially where the first page of a chapter displays only the heading. I get around the problem by inserting a "paragraph-break" (</p><p class="pb">) to the left-hand margin on the next line, at the end of a sentence after no more than about 250 words in the paragraph. That works for both indented- and line-spaced-paragraphs. While not looking ideal, it does at least show that it is a formatting break and not a real paragraph break. Does anyone have a simpler solution? Don't say, "Use shorter paragraphs"; it's not my text. ADE seems to ignore all "page-break-...: avoid" directives in the CSS. |
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I tested this by creating an epub with the following in it: Code:
<p>1<br /> 2<br /> 3<br /> 4<br /></p> Code:
1.2 32 1.225 32 1.25 31 1.275 30 Then I edited a couple of the files and added line heights to the CSS. I tired 1.0 and 0.1. 1.0 put all 40 lines on the screen. 0.1 did as well, but they overlapped and covered less than a quarter of the screen. Quote:
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The line-height: values in the CSS seem to have to be much lower for sideloaded and embedded fonts; for one (standard font, including yogh characters) that I tried, I had to get down to line-height: 1.04 for a reasonable number of lines/page (but then, such fonts are no longer rendered on the Kobo as well as they were previously). I got to 24 lines/page with line-height: 1.2 in the CSS, a font size of 24, and all margins of 0, by trial and error for firmware 2.0.0 (also worked for 2.0.4). Lo and behold, when I upgraded to 2.1.4/5, the display changed to 23 lines/page (the minimum bottom margin set by the Kobo seemed to increase slightly). Since hyphenation still has bugs in 2.1.4/5, and since the handling of dictionaries in 2.1.4/5 seemed miles worse than in 2.0.4, I went back to 2.0.4 (hyphenation is off). I think I may stick with 2.0.4, since with various workarounds it more or less does what I want. Non-aggressive hyphenation that worked properly would be a bonus. Upgrading to any firmware release after 2.1.4/5 would be the usual lottery. I think of the Kobo firmware, since it hails from North America, as NTSC: Never The Same Code (twice). Quote:
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However, it's not an ADE issue, as I have only non-DRM epubs on my Glo. I will never buy books from Kobo or B&N as long as they use DRM. |
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The way in which ADE on the KT is liable to throw a screen-break before a "long" paragraph, and to throw further screen-breaks within a "longer" paragraph, is quite noticeable for a font size of 24. (That corresponds roughly to "Medium" on the Kobo Original.)
For the next font size down on the KT, the effect is nowhere near as noticeable. I suspect it is related to the way in which ADE determines what is a "page". In the Adobe document, "EPUB Best Practices", is the following section: Quote:
If text for a "resource" (chapter) were to flow continuously from screen to screen, each synthetic "page" may begin at any screen line; a synthetic "page" will usually not correspond to an integral number of screens. Thus, it would be ridiculous for ADE to have a new synthetic "page" start on a new screen, and it doesn't do that normally. The "page" number, whether for display or navigation purposes, simply need refer to the screen display containing the "page" break. Why then is ADE liable to throw a screen-break before a "long" paragraph, and to throw screen-breaks within "longer" paragraphs? It seems to depend on the current position within the synthetic "page", the current position on the screen, and the length of the paragraph (or the remaining number of screen lines in a "longer" paragraph); different "long" paragraphs of identical numbers of screen lines may show different screen-breaks. For some reason, ADE seems to confuse "screen-breaks" and "page-breaks". And I can't for the life of me see why it needs to do that. In practice, for a font size of 24, to keep "screen-break-before" occurrences down to an acceptable level and to eliminate "screen-break-within" occurrences, I have found it necessary to restrict "paragraphs" to about 250 words. I did try epubs with a page-map file to tell ADE that the resource (chapter) has no pages (<page name="" .../>), so that each chapter appeared to be of 1 page (it was a useful way to get rid of the RHS page number displayed on the Kobo Original). No change: ADE still threw screen breaks in the same places, so it was still working on synthetic pages internally. |
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Anybody know whether you can set orphan and widow values in the Kobo eReader.conf ?
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