looking for Japanese reader with dic - Page 3

nukito · 06-15-2012, 11:44 AM

but mujokan said there is a way to crop the A4 files.

HarryT · 06-15-2012, 11:46 AM

Cropping is not the same as reflow. Cropping means removing the margins, or other areas of the page that don't interest you.

Honestly, we're telling you the truth here. Trying to read a PDF formatted for an A4 page on a 6" device is an exercise in frustration, especially (I'd imagine) for a language like Japanese where you need to be able to clearly see the fine details of the kanji characters.

nukito · 06-15-2012, 11:50 AM

the problem is that the only way to read Japanese properly is to convert it into pdf.

is there any way to reflow it?

otherwise, is there eink reader with big screen? (cheeper than the dx)

nukito · 06-15-2012, 12:02 PM

is there any device which can reflow pdfs?

this feature is very important to me.

frostschutz · 06-15-2012, 12:07 PM

converting into pdf is OK since you can convert it in such a way as is suitable for 6"

i.e. you have a non-pdf source and you can use that to produce a PDF of any size, font style, margins, ...

just don't expect pdfs to work with a dic then, nor with reflow. you should think of PDFs more as image files than anything else.

nukito · 06-15-2012, 12:09 PM

yes now I understand it better.

so the only way is buying a device with bigger screen right?

Mujokan · 06-15-2012, 12:41 PM

lol, in fact there is a J-E dictionary data file for ColorDict that you can download from within the program. So you don't need my EDICT data files that I attached to an earlier post. I will try it out, it is downloading slowly. Oh well, I went about the process a bit backwards I suppose.

Hmm, it downloaded and nothing happened. Possibly it was exactly the same files.

nukito, rooting makes things more flexible in that you can install different readers. I don't know about the Kindle, but the stock Nook reader sucks for PDFs.

I had some PDFs that I wanted to read on my Nook, so I looked into it. The best solution I found was to use APV PDF Reader in landscape. You have text going from edge to edge across the width of the screen, zoomed in so there are no margins. It is not perfect, but the text is about the same size as the netbook I am typing this on for a typical A4 PDF.

Getting the text out of the PDF and reflowing it is possible, but the formatting will probably end up pretty broken. PDFs of books tend to have chapter headings, titles, page numbers, and so on cluttering up the page. The Nook reader will do it automatically for some PDFs, but it's not super pleasant to read. If you put lots of time into it you could manage it, but it would have to be a book you wanted to read 20 times for it to be worth the effort.

kumaryu · 06-15-2012, 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nukito

I'm looking for a Japanese Ereader.
should be able to translate from japanese to english as well.
another bonus could be translating from several languages to english.
what is my best option?
kindle or sony ?
thank you .

Unless you specifically need a device with e-ink displays, I think your best bet is to get an an iOS device or possibly an Android tablet.

Japanese ebook readers such as Sharp GALAPAGOS, Biblio leaf, are mostly tied into Japanese domestic mobile broadband contracts. Unless you live in Japan, they won't be for you.

Kindle supports Japanese font display but Amazon.jp doesn't offer downloadable JP -language content. This means that you'll be looking at .pdf or other formats. (KIndle doesn't support xmdf) Support for .pdfs on Kindle as well as most other e-readers are poor and only possible for text as opposed to image based documents.

There's also no kanji or J>E dictionary look-up.

On iOS, PDFs display tolerably well and you'll have a number of dictionaries to choose from. They're however more expensive, have shorter battery life and you won't be doing much reading in bright sunlight.

nukito · 06-15-2012, 12:56 PM

I really want an E ink reader.
which one do you recommend the nook or the sony prs-t1?

Mujokan · 06-15-2012, 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nukito

I really want an E ink reader.
which one do you recommend the nook or the sony prs-t1?

I like my Nook since the rooting process works quite well. You aren't really supposed to use it outside of the US it seems, though. I bought mine in Europe through an importer and it has been fine. However I think to buy books through the Barnes and Noble store, you are supposed to put in a US shipping address. From what I have read, if you just put in any US address it's no problem so long as you are not getting anything shipped physically. I have not even associated a credit card with mine as I am sideloading everything. So this is not an issue for me.

Based on my experimenting this afternoon, you can look up words pretty well using a Japanese-language epub in Cool Reader and ColorDict. (I am testing with a html version of the script to Final Fantasy Tactics which I had on my computer which I converted to epub using Sigil.) So at least there is "proof of concept" on the Nook Simple Touch.

nukito · 06-15-2012, 01:12 PM

same works for the sony prs-t1 doesn't it?
both android based

Mujokan · 06-15-2012, 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nukito

same works for the sony prs-t1 doesn't it?
both android based

I don't know enough about the topic to comment...

nukito · 06-15-2012, 01:42 PM

now I feel really lost...

psr kindle or nook

nukito · 06-15-2012, 01:51 PM

by the with mujokan.
does the japanese-english dictionary is a pop up one?
like the built it one?

Mujokan · 06-15-2012, 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nukito

by the with mujokan.
does the japanese-english dictionary is a pop up one?
like the built it one?

You double click at the start of the word and drag along it with your finger. When you let go, the dictionary app appears with the kana+definition (covers the whole screen). Then you hit the "back" button in the status bar and the dictionary app disappears and you are back at the epub.

EDIT: Note this is only for epub files.

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06-15-2012, 11:44 AM	#31
nukito Enthusiast Posts: 32 Karma: 480444 Join Date: Jun 2012 Device: non yet	but mujokan said there is a way to crop the A4 files.

06-15-2012, 11:46 AM	#32
HarryT eBook Enthusiast Posts: 85,547 Karma: 93383099 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6	Cropping is not the same as reflow. Cropping means removing the margins, or other areas of the page that don't interest you. Honestly, we're telling you the truth here. Trying to read a PDF formatted for an A4 page on a 6" device is an exercise in frustration, especially (I'd imagine) for a language like Japanese where you need to be able to clearly see the fine details of the kanji characters.

06-15-2012, 11:50 AM	#33
nukito Enthusiast Posts: 32 Karma: 480444 Join Date: Jun 2012 Device: non yet	the problem is that the only way to read Japanese properly is to convert it into pdf. is there any way to reflow it? otherwise, is there eink reader with big screen? (cheeper than the dx)

06-15-2012, 12:02 PM	#34
nukito Enthusiast Posts: 32 Karma: 480444 Join Date: Jun 2012 Device: non yet	is there any device which can reflow pdfs? this feature is very important to me.

06-15-2012, 12:07 PM	#35
frostschutz Linux User Posts: 2,282 Karma: 6123806 Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Heidelberg, Germany Device: none	converting into pdf is OK since you can convert it in such a way as is suitable for 6" i.e. you have a non-pdf source and you can use that to produce a PDF of any size, font style, margins, ... just don't expect pdfs to work with a dic then, nor with reflow. you should think of PDFs more as image files than anything else.

06-15-2012, 12:09 PM	#36
nukito Enthusiast Posts: 32 Karma: 480444 Join Date: Jun 2012 Device: non yet	yes now I understand it better. so the only way is buying a device with bigger screen right?

06-15-2012, 12:41 PM	#37
Mujokan Connoisseur Posts: 77 Karma: 271776 Join Date: Jun 2012 Device: Nook Simple Touch	lol, in fact there is a J-E dictionary data file for ColorDict that you can download from within the program. So you don't need my EDICT data files that I attached to an earlier post. I will try it out, it is downloading slowly. Oh well, I went about the process a bit backwards I suppose. Hmm, it downloaded and nothing happened. Possibly it was exactly the same files. nukito, rooting makes things more flexible in that you can install different readers. I don't know about the Kindle, but the stock Nook reader sucks for PDFs. I had some PDFs that I wanted to read on my Nook, so I looked into it. The best solution I found was to use APV PDF Reader in landscape. You have text going from edge to edge across the width of the screen, zoomed in so there are no margins. It is not perfect, but the text is about the same size as the netbook I am typing this on for a typical A4 PDF. Getting the text out of the PDF and reflowing it is possible, but the formatting will probably end up pretty broken. PDFs of books tend to have chapter headings, titles, page numbers, and so on cluttering up the page. The Nook reader will do it automatically for some PDFs, but it's not super pleasant to read. If you put lots of time into it you could manage it, but it would have to be a book you wanted to read 20 times for it to be worth the effort.

06-15-2012, 12:56 PM	#39
nukito Enthusiast Posts: 32 Karma: 480444 Join Date: Jun 2012 Device: non yet	I really want an E ink reader. which one do you recommend the nook or the sony prs-t1?

06-15-2012, 01:12 PM	#41
nukito Enthusiast Posts: 32 Karma: 480444 Join Date: Jun 2012 Device: non yet	same works for the sony prs-t1 doesn't it? both android based

06-15-2012, 01:42 PM	#43
nukito Enthusiast Posts: 32 Karma: 480444 Join Date: Jun 2012 Device: non yet	now I feel really lost... psr kindle or nook

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06-15-2012, 01:51 PM	#44
nukito Enthusiast Posts: 32 Karma: 480444 Join Date: Jun 2012 Device: non yet	by the with mujokan. does the japanese-english dictionary is a pop up one? like the built it one?