Amazon/B&N/Kobo can once again discount ebooks from the 3 Publishers starting June 10 - Page 3

BeccaPrice · 06-05-2012, 03:59 PM

Apple doesn't sell music based on Agency, I see no reason why they couldn't continue to sell books without Agency pricing.

murraypaul · 06-05-2012, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by BeccaPrice

Apple doesn't sell music based on Agency, I see no reason why they couldn't continue to sell books without Agency pricing.

Apple don't make their own decisions about music pricing, do they?
I thought the record companies set the price?

BeccaPrice · 06-05-2012, 04:30 PM

I don't know who sets the price. I do know I can usually find my music downloads cheaper (and more of them) at Amazon than at the iTunes store, and I've got my Amazon downloader to download directly into iTunes.

stonetools · 06-05-2012, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by murraypaul

Apple don't make their own decisions about music pricing, do they?
I thought the record companies set the price?

I think Apple originally set the prices but that may have changed.

Top100EbooksRank · 06-05-2012, 10:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by murraypaul

Apple don't make their own decisions about music pricing, do they?
I thought the record companies set the price?

Apple uses wholesale for digital music, digital movies and digital movies rental. This is the reason why you see different prices on Itunes compare to Amazon and GooglePlay etc..

Apple uses agency for apps and ebooks.

Most of you probably read numerous mention that Apple Apps Store is "agency" straight from Apple. But I bet you never heard the same about music and movies. That's because Apple uses wholesale on music and movies.

Top100EbooksRank · 06-08-2012, 06:00 AM

Anyone seen a confirmation that Amazon/B&N/Nook/GooglePlay etc...can start discounting on June 10?

We are only 2 days away.

HarryT · 06-08-2012, 07:50 AM

I wouldn't hold your breath if I were you. New contracts need to be drawn up - that's going to take more than a day or two to happen.

ProfCrash · 06-08-2012, 10:58 AM

The settlement has to be approved by the courts and new contracts have to be written up.

stonetools · 06-08-2012, 11:21 AM

AFAIK, the courts have't ruled on the settlement. We are still within the 60 day public comment period, so I don't know that the settlement has even been submitted to the court yet. Its possible that the DOJ might tweak the terms based on the public comments and that there even may be a further round of public comments and negotiations among the parties before the court gets it-and the court may reject it then.
I would advise folks to relax and look to possible price cuts in the fall.

DMB · 06-09-2012, 12:36 PM

Are they really playing King Canute if they think agency pricing of ebooks will uphold dt sales?

I don't know about other e-reader owners, but since I got my Kindle (August 2010) I have bought lots of ebooks and only two dt books. I am still reading some dt books, but they are ones I bought pre-kindle.

Synamon · 06-09-2012, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DMB

Are they really playing King Canute if they think agency pricing of ebooks will uphold dt sales?

I don't know about other e-reader owners, but since I got my Kindle (August 2010) I have bought lots of ebooks and only two dt books. I am still reading some dt books, but they are ones I bought pre-kindle.

If they started the agency deal in an attempt to stem the tide of people switching to eReaders for lower priced ebooks rather than continuing to buy high priced hardcovers, they failed.

They probably realized they'd lost those who were early adopters of eReaders as hardcover buyers, you are likely typical in not wanting to buy any more paper books. But then they lost many of those as customers altogether, by jacking up the ebook price of their bestsellers. There are plenty of reasonably priced ebooks being offered by other publishers and self-published authors, so all they've accomplished is to open avid readers' (those early adopters) eyes to other sources of reading material beyond the few hundred bestsellers they used to read.

The second wave is that it turns out people don't need to switch to dedicated eReaders to read ebooks, half of all ebooks are read on ultra portable laptops, tablets, and smartphones. Those tech markets have exploded in the past two years, another tide threatening their precious hardcovers. Now everyone in the first world can read an ebook.

Top100EbooksRank · 06-10-2012, 05:34 AM

The 60-day comment period started on April 11, 2012.
It's now June 10, 2012. 60 Days later.

The comment period is about to be over.

Next up is the approval of the settlement by the court. Once that is done,

If the settlement is approved — following a 60-day comment period — those three publishers must terminate existing agreements with Apple’s iBookstore within seven days.

ProfCrash · 06-10-2012, 08:37 AM

Apple, not Amazon. They will have time to renegotiate with Amazon and the other bookstores.

SeaKing · 06-10-2012, 02:21 PM

I want to know where my cheaper books are?

added-

I also want to know what penalties Apple and it's co-conspirators are going to face.

ProfCrash · 06-10-2012, 02:50 PM

First they have to be found guilty. The settlementonly effects the three publishers that settled. Lower prices may come in a few months. The public commentary on the settlement period has ended. Noe the Judge has to read all the comments and determine if the settlement is fair.

06-08-2012, 11:21 AM	#39
stonetools Wizard Posts: 2,016 Karma: 2838487 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Washington, DC Device: Ipad, IPhone	AFAIK, the courts have't ruled on the settlement. We are still within the 60 day public comment period, so I don't know that the settlement has even been submitted to the court yet. Its possible that the DOJ might tweak the terms based on the public comments and that there even may be a further round of public comments and negotiations among the parties before the court gets it-and the court may reject it then. I would advise folks to relax and look to possible price cuts in the fall. Last edited by stonetools; 06-08-2012 at 11:24 AM.

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06-05-2012, 03:59 PM	#31
BeccaPrice Wizard Posts: 2,146 Karma: 11174187 Join Date: Jan 2011 Device: Sony 350, K3-3G, K4SO, KPW	Apple doesn't sell music based on Agency, I see no reason why they couldn't continue to sell books without Agency pricing.

06-05-2012, 04:30 PM	#33
BeccaPrice Wizard Posts: 2,146 Karma: 11174187 Join Date: Jan 2011 Device: Sony 350, K3-3G, K4SO, KPW	I don't know who sets the price. I do know I can usually find my music downloads cheaper (and more of them) at Amazon than at the iTunes store, and I've got my Amazon downloader to download directly into iTunes.

06-08-2012, 06:00 AM	#36
Top100EbooksRank Banned Posts: 304 Karma: 6102528 Join Date: Mar 2012 Device: Kindle	Anyone seen a confirmation that Amazon/B&N/Nook/GooglePlay etc...can start discounting on June 10? We are only 2 days away.

06-08-2012, 07:50 AM	#37
HarryT eBook Enthusiast Posts: 85,545 Karma: 93383099 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6	I wouldn't hold your breath if I were you. New contracts need to be drawn up - that's going to take more than a day or two to happen.

06-08-2012, 10:58 AM	#38
ProfCrash Tea Enthusiast Posts: 8,554 Karma: 75384937 Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Somewhere in the USA Device: Kindle1, Kindle DX Graphite, K3 3G, IPad 3, PW2	The settlement has to be approved by the courts and new contracts have to be written up.

06-09-2012, 12:36 PM	#40
DMB Old Git Posts: 958 Karma: 1840790 Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Switzerland (mostly) Device: Two kindle PWs wifi, kindle fire, iPad3 wifi	Are they really playing King Canute if they think agency pricing of ebooks will uphold dt sales? I don't know about other e-reader owners, but since I got my Kindle (August 2010) I have bought lots of ebooks and only two dt books. I am still reading some dt books, but they are ones I bought pre-kindle.

06-10-2012, 05:34 AM	#42
Top100EbooksRank Banned Posts: 304 Karma: 6102528 Join Date: Mar 2012 Device: Kindle	The 60-day comment period started on April 11, 2012. It's now June 10, 2012. 60 Days later. The comment period is about to be over. Next up is the approval of the settlement by the court. Once that is done, If the settlement is approved — following a 60-day comment period — those three publishers must terminate existing agreements with Apple’s iBookstore within seven days.

06-10-2012, 08:37 AM	#43
ProfCrash Tea Enthusiast Posts: 8,554 Karma: 75384937 Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Somewhere in the USA Device: Kindle1, Kindle DX Graphite, K3 3G, IPad 3, PW2	Apple, not Amazon. They will have time to renegotiate with Amazon and the other bookstores.

06-10-2012, 02:21 PM	#44
SeaKing Frequent Flier Posts: 1,282 Karma: 2058993297 Join Date: Oct 2011 Device: KB kindle aboard, Galx Tab 7.0 Plus, trying out Droid 1 as mini-tab	I want to know where my cheaper books are? added- I also want to know what penalties Apple and it's co-conspirators are going to face.

06-10-2012, 02:50 PM	#45
ProfCrash Tea Enthusiast Posts: 8,554 Karma: 75384937 Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Somewhere in the USA Device: Kindle1, Kindle DX Graphite, K3 3G, IPad 3, PW2	First they have to be found guilty. The settlementonly effects the three publishers that settled. Lower prices may come in a few months. The public commentary on the settlement period has ended. Noe the Judge has to read all the comments and determine if the settlement is fair.

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