Ereaders and Tracking - Page 3

HarryT · 04-19-2012, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by HappyMartin

The Kindle has a GPS chip? What for? I imagine location can be calculated by triangulating from 3G towers but I am surprised to hear about a GPS capability.

No, the Kindle doesn't have a GPS chip. I suspect that what's being talking about here is location determined from the the cellular radio in the 3G Kindle, if it's stored at all.

JSWolf · 04-19-2012, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by mr ploppy

If it's anything like Amazon it will be in the terms and conditions you need to accept in order to be a customer. The only opt out would be not to use them. Giving away your privacy in return for services (whether paid for or free) is the norm now.

Um.. I have to disagree. I've never ever read the Kindle terms and conditions. Amazon has never made me agree to to the terms and conditions. So as far as I am concerned, since Amazon has never made to agree to them, they don't apply since they don't mind selling me content without having agreed. I've had an account with Amazon long before the Kindle.

JSWolf · 04-19-2012, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

Sorry - I thought you meant "Kindle Touch" when you said "KT". Too many similar-sounding devices

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500 = Sony Reader PRS-500
505 = Sony Reader PRS-505
300 = Sony Reader PRS-300
350 = Sony Reader PRS-350
600 = Sony Reader PRS-600
650 = Sony Reader PRS-650
700 = Sony Reader PRS-700
900 = Sony Reader PRS-900
950 = Sony Reader PRS-950
T1 = Sony WiFi PRS-T1

nook = Original nook
STR = nook Simple Touch

Kobo = Original non-WiFi Kobo
Kobo WiFi = Kobo original WiFi Kobo
KT = Kobo Touch

K1 = Original Kindle
K2 = Kindle 2
K3 = Kindle 3
KK = Kindle Keyboard
K4 = Kindle non-keyboard/non-touch
KT = Kobo Touch
K5 = Kindle Touch

That should cover most of the common reader abbreviations.

HarryT · 04-19-2012, 11:27 AM

Given that there are far more Kindle users around than Kobo users, "KT" should be reserved for the Kindle, IMHO

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danskmacabre · 04-19-2012, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

Given that there are far more Kindle users around than Kobo users, "KT" should be reserved for the Kindle, IMHO

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You should file a complaint at whatever governing body exists to manage abbreviations...

I have Kobo Touch noted under my Avatar as well though.

HarryT · 04-19-2012, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by danskmacabre

I have Kobo Touch noted under my Avatar as well though.

Yes - apologies for not spotting that.

MrsJoseph · 04-19-2012, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

Given that there are far more Kindle users around than Kobo users, "KT" should be reserved for the Kindle, IMHO

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Except the KT was out before the kindle touch...

5thWiggle · 04-19-2012, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by MrsJoseph

Except the KT was out before the kindle touch...

KT annouced May 23/11, on sale (in U.S.) June 10/11
Kindle Touch annouced Sept 28/11, on sale ((in U.S.) Nov 15/11

Kobo has KT precedence!

JoeD · 04-19-2012, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by MrsJoseph

But...how does it help software development if the information isn't sent to the software developers? So...the info has to get to Amazon in some way if they use the data.

Usually software will produce a load of log files and/or data dumps that in the case of a technical support request the developer might ask for you to email or send in some other way to them.

Just because something is logged though does not imply it's also sent. It might be, but equally it might be sending info that isn't logged locally too.

Even if data is logged locally only though, it can be an issue for some depending on what the data is and the length of time it's retained.

For example if your mobile logs every place you've been over the last year (mentioning no names

), even if that info is never sent to an outside party, plenty of people would be (were) unhappy about it been on the phone without their authorisation especially for anything more than a short period of time.

Privacy is becoming a huge topic now, even though in some cases the data logged/sent is needed for services to actually function, consumers (some, but growing in number) are wary that the data is also been used for other purposes (marketing, selling on etc) or companies are logging more than they need to (again usually for ad/marketing reasons).

If anyone has some definitive data on each of the devices I'd be interested in seeing it.

MrsJoseph · 04-19-2012, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by JoeD

Usually software will produce a load of log files and/or data dumps that in the case of a technical support request the developer might ask for you to email or send in some other way to them.

Just because something is logged though does not imply it's also sent. It might be, but equally it might be sending info that isn't logged locally too.

Even if data is logged locally only though, it can be an issue for some depending on what the data is and the length of time it's retained.

For example if your mobile logs every place you've been over the last year (mentioning no names

), even if that info is never sent to an outside party, plenty of people would be (were) unhappy about it been on the phone without their authorisation especially for anything more than a short period of time.

Privacy is becoming a huge topic now, even though in some cases the data logged/sent is needed for services to actually function, consumers are wary that the data is also been used for other purposes (marketing, selling on etc) or companies are logging more than they need to (again usually for ad/marketing reasons).

If anyone has some definitive data on each of the devices I'd be interested in seeing it.

I sorta take for granted that any info being stored and logged about me is being sent and viewed by someone (or computer) for some type of tracking/marketing purpose.

And those cameras on TV's?? Classic 1984. Will not own one.

JSWolf · 04-19-2012, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

Given that there are far more Kindle users around than Kobo users, "KT" should be reserved for the Kindle, IMHO

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But the reason Kobo gets to have KT is because the Kobo Touch came out before the Kindle Touch. Oh and since KT belongs to the Kobo Touch, I suggest that you (as a moderator) go fix every post that incorrectly uses KT to mean Kindle Touch.

ProfCrash · 04-19-2012, 12:01 PM

Sorry, most folks with Kindles see KT and think Kindle Touch. That is simply how people have been discussing it. Most folks have no clue that a K5 is a KT.

Kumabjorn · 04-19-2012, 12:05 PM

Yep, KT = Kindle Touch and KNT = Kindle No Touch.
But I have to agree with JSWoolf, if the Kobo Touch was out before and in general referred to as a KT then they are at the head of the line for the moniker.

HarryT · 04-19-2012, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ProfCrash

Sorry, most folks with Kindles see KT and think Kindle Touch. That is simply how people have been discussing it. Most folks have no clue that a K5 is a KT.

Joking apart, it's all a matter of context. "KT" means "Kobo Touch" on the Kobo forum, and "Kindle Touch" on the Amazon forum. It's only really on "neutral ground" such as this particular forum that one perhaps has to take care that the meaning is clear.

MrsJoseph · 04-19-2012, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ProfCrash

Sorry, most folks with Kindles see KT and think Kindle Touch. That is simply how people have been discussing it. Most folks have no clue that a K5 is a KT.

That just means that most folks are wrong.

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04-19-2012, 11:27 AM	#34
HarryT eBook Enthusiast Posts: 85,544 Karma: 93383099 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6	Given that there are far more Kindle users around than Kobo users, "KT" should be reserved for the Kindle, IMHO .

04-19-2012, 12:01 PM	#42
ProfCrash Tea Enthusiast Posts: 8,554 Karma: 75384937 Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Somewhere in the USA Device: Kindle1, Kindle DX Graphite, K3 3G, IPad 3, PW2	Sorry, most folks with Kindles see KT and think Kindle Touch. That is simply how people have been discussing it. Most folks have no clue that a K5 is a KT.

04-19-2012, 12:05 PM	#43
Kumabjorn Basculocolpic Posts: 4,356 Karma: 20181319 Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Sweden Device: Kindle 3 WiFi, Kindle 4SO, Kindle for Android, Sony PRS-350 and PRS-T1	Yep, KT = Kindle Touch and KNT = Kindle No Touch. But I have to agree with JSWoolf, if the Kobo Touch was out before and in general referred to as a KT then they are at the head of the line for the moniker.

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