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The whole "I service your routers, so I know what's good for the internet and the world" bit does not impress. At heart, he wants to be allowed to do what he wants, no matter what anyone else wants. Big whoop.
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ESR is a well know *advocate* of free/open software.
Not everybody in the free software movement thinks he's the best spokesman for the movement. I find myself agreeing with much of what he says, but I also find myself a little embarrassed to think folks think he has more influence than he really has. One man, One opinion. Taken with a grain of salt. |
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It all starts with one man/woman taking a stand for the betterment of society.
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I see a big difference in rules for kids and rules for adults. I don't want young children driving cars, buying beer or cigarettes, or watching porn. I don't want some adults doing some of the above things, but those are their stupid choices (it isn't all adults or all choices, I won't say which choices) Those are just a few examples. If I am reading you correctly you are equating any rules for kids to be bad. Yes, parents should be the main authority, but not all parents accept responsibility and let their kids do as they please. Heck, we have parents of some of our high schoolers (or younger) having their kids do the drug buying for them (or selling). Is there a way to restrict underage access to certain content that doesn't block adults? Yes. Could it be better? I'm sure yes. I think some restriction of knowledge isn't necessarily a bad thing, I am with others that don't want it so easy to find bomb plans or maybe chemical weapon plans. I do not know how accessible these things are because I do not want that knowledge. But overall saying 'this is what you can know' and 'this is what you can read/watch' is censorship. |
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Somehow I don't think that this is what you meant, but hey, it's the rule that you go by. Just to clarify, I will continue to use pronouns referring back to the preceding noun that makes actual sense. No, I'm not, just as I'm also not equating rules for adults to be bad. My point was that the government makes rules for people, and when you say "that 'the internet' is its users" you are accepting that the government can make rules for the internet. |
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Sil, sweetie, reread the statement, ALOUD, that I had the problem with. Better yet, read it to someone else. It was very unclear. Am I saying I am always correct? No, of course not.
Also, pronouns should only be in a sentence after a noun. Obviously I do not always adhere to this rule, and there are exceptions, such as if the verb 'is' is used (one thing is another, interchangeable in the sentence). That said, I'm out. I don't know why I even tried. You want to argue with someone. I refuse to participate any more. |
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I did not react badly on the text. Unfortunately I react badly to ESR just because he is a libertarian of the more irritating kind and I remember a panel at a Worldcon were the libertarian side (and his contributions) was totally bad. |
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What was the panel and his side about?
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I think it was this one at ConJose:
http://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog...gust_2002.html Panel, "Socialists in Kilts: Revolutionary Scottish SF, Stross, Banks and MacLeod" (this is going to be funny!). Iain Banks, a regular UK bestseller, writes space operas set in a post-scarcity, money-free Utopian society. Hugo-finalist Ken MacLeod, an ex-Trotskyite turned Libertarian, has written novels in which both communists and capitalists built their own semi-Utopian societies. In Charles Stross' Hugo-nominated "Lobsters," the Open-Source cultural politics collides head-on with Extropian exuberance to produce the first cyberpunk works that actually look like they were written in the 21st century. Calling all of them "Socialists" may be simplistic, but each has sketched out their own version of a post-Capitalist future.This panel examines their work in the context of the UK SF revival of the 1980s and 90s, what was so revolutionary about it, the changing politics and economics of Scotland, and which (if any) of their economic extrapolations might come to pass. With no Pat Cadigan (she can't make it), China Mieville, Lawrence Person, and Eric "libertarian? me?" Raymond. |
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Thanks, I didn't realize that Open-Source can be considered politics.
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I was told to read the article referenced in the OP, so I did. What's interesting is not the points the self-proclaimed "spokesperson" made , but his philosophy. Apparently he is speaking for some folks called the "technologists". The "technologists" believe that you should be able to do anything you want on your computing devices and on the Internet. Anything that interferes with that freedom (anti-piracy legislation, DRM, proprietary formats) are all to be reviled and resisted.
The problem with this romantic vision is that its outdated . It may have made sense during the formative years of the Internet. However in the last 15 years, the internet has become part of the public square-the place where the public comes to meet, to politic, and above all do business. Its is therefore inevitable that the Internet will be brought under the rule of law-the public will demand it and government will respond to public pressure . Everything the writer objects to are attempts by business and/or the government to bring the rule of law to the Internet. Unfortunately for the author, such attempts will continue , because the Internet is just too important to be left to the technologists. A historical analogy is the Atlantic. Once the Atlantic was an open sea, in which every captain of a ship did what was right in his eyes, and piracy flourished. Once the Atlantic sea routes became central to international commerce, the world's navies hunted down the pirates and established the rule of law across the Atlantic. I expect the same will happen as the Internet becomes more and more important to world commerce. |
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