Difference Between Rooted v. Non-Rooted Ermine

[lorenzoens]

Originally Posted by vicinc

I have 2 pes.
one rooted and one not.
same hardware, software.
both run at same speed.
saying rooting is slowing down, is rubbish.
however rooting is personal preference!

I did not EVER said "rooting is slowing down"

I described exactly what happened on the day I rooted the edge. Luckily, in the following days those weird behaviors have shown less frequently, nonetheless they showed up only after the rooting.

And again: I did not install any new app after the rooting, since I'm using the edge for everyday work on texts and I cannot afford to risk anything with it, 'til my phd thesis is done.

You're free to believe not my words, not that I care, but since all of you are going forward by trial and error, I really do not see how can you exclude so firmly what happened to me. These are complex systems. It could be some app I had installed on the edge before the rooting, which now causes the weird bevahiors.

My PE is not rooted and it has never shown anything similar.

[hilaryfrompa]

KennyMinot, Yes, definitely helps. I'm confused about one thing, however. I thought z4root was the Golden Ermine file I downloaded before renaming it "update.zip." (I can't say for sure, because I deleted that file along with the "gapps" file from my sparse 8G SD card). So would--or wouldn't--this mean the device has been rooted?

--About the SD card "fix" (as you call it). One of the reasons I haven't gone near my PE in three days, except for recharging it, is--and this is an extreme newbie articulating it: there are too many places where a file might be stored on the Edge. When the SD card is installed in a PE, where do your books, whether .PDF, EPUB, or other format, really go? The liberry? The "Devices" "folder?" Nowhere? I have absolutely NO CLUE about where to look for files that, on a windows floppy drive, or CD drive, or USB drive, would be easy to locate. Now before you write off this objection as mere stupidity, a certain amount of which I freely admit to, please consider...

It takes a great deal of ratiocination for a born-and-bred Windows user to comprehend that files can't be copied to the PE. Once a newbie gets this fact through his or her brain, the concept of Library unfortunately becomes even more mysterious, since Post-Entourage buyers can't buy and download books or whatever. (I mean, these facts become obvious even as a person types them, but it takes considerable thought--for a non-Android-familiar user--to articulate them.) So then he/she has the Library, the SD card, "Downloads," "Documents to Go," "Books," "Installed Storage," "All...(Whatever Follows All)...

That's why I'm grateful for what is apparently a definitive PE User's Guide EPUB, or an accretion of users' guides, or whatever exactly that file is that was posted yesterday. It took two pages of posts for me as a non-smart phone user, to get an answer to the question about Permissions (re: my thread "Really--Really--Getting to Know the PE). N.B. "Permissions is a misnomer, since a user either "permits" all or none. "Warning" or "Cautions" would have been an infinitely more compassionate term! So if this is the rate of learning--two pages of posts to comprehend a single Android term-- then possibly I will use my PE to take notes to the Book of Revelations while the Apocalypse is happening.

None of this matters, however. Really. Some devices give you a heck of a kick just looking at, like a baseball signed by your hero or a hard-to-find DVD of an old film. I like just looking at the PE. It's heavier than a watermelon compared to netbooks, and so far, I am 95% clueless about how to use it (and on final thought, this post really belongs in my other thread); but I wouldn't part with it for the world.

[ivanjt]

Originally Posted by hilaryfrompa

KennyMinot, Yes, definitely helps. I'm confused about one thing, however. I thought z4root was the Golden Ermine file I downloaded before renaming it "update.zip." (I can't say for sure, because I deleted that file along with the "gapps" file from my sparse 8G SD card). So would--or wouldn't--this mean the device has been rooted?

Sorry I can't give you an answer on that, not having a PE.

--About the SD card "fix" (as you call it). One of the reasons I haven't gone near my PE in three days, except for recharging it, is--and this is an extreme newbie articulating it: there are too many places where a file might be stored on the Edge. When the SD card is installed in a PE, where do your books, whether .PDF, EPUB, or other format, really go? The liberry? The "Devices" "folder?" Nowhere? I have absolutely NO CLUE about where to look for files that, on a windows floppy drive, or CD drive, or USB drive, would be easy to locate. Now before you write off this objection as mere stupidity, a certain amount of which I freely admit to, please consider...

I don't think you need the SD card fix.

Now the easiest thing for you to do to find our where everything is - and it will help you learn - open ES File Explorer and just look at what is on your device. As long as you don't move or change anything at this point you will not harm your PE. You will find things that you don't understand but you should also find where your books are kept, among other things.

It takes a great deal of ratiocination for a born-and-bred Windows user to comprehend that files can't be copied to the PE. Once a newbie gets this fact through his or her brain, the concept of Library unfortunately becomes even more mysterious, since Post-Entourage buyers can't buy and download books or whatever. (I mean, these facts become obvious even as a person types them, but it takes considerable thought--for a non-Android-familiar user--to articulate them.) So then he/she has the Library, the SD card, "Downloads," "Documents to Go," "Books," "Installed Storage," "All...(Whatever Follows All)...

In fact files CAN be copied to the PE without problems - it's just a little more difficult to do than the windows you are used to. You can use ES File Explorer to copy directly from your PC - if it is set up to allow file transfer over the network. I am fortunate that at work and home I have access to FTP servers which makes file transfer very easy but it is only a little more complex without. Just don't ask me how to set up a windows network because we don't use windows.

That's why I'm grateful for what is apparently a definitive PE User's Guide EPUB, or an accretion of users' guides, or whatever exactly that file is that was posted yesterday. It took two pages of posts for me as a non-smart phone user, to get an answer to the question about Permissions (re: my thread "Really--Really--Getting to Know the PE). N.B. "Permissions is a misnomer, since a user either "permits" all or none. "Warning" or "Cautions" would have been an infinitely more compassionate term! So if this is the rate of learning--two pages of posts to comprehend a single Android term-- then possibly I will use my PE to take notes to the Book of Revelations while the Apocalypse is happening.

The one thing you must remember is that Android is based on Linux and the way it does things - hence some of the descriptions are rather cryptic to say the least.

None of this matters, however. Really. Some devices give you a heck of a kick just looking at, like a baseball signed by your hero or a hard-to-find DVD of an old film. I like just looking at the PE. It's heavier than a watermelon compared to netbooks, and so far, I am 95% clueless about how to use it (and on final thought, this post really belongs in my other thread); but I wouldn't part with it for the world.

My advice - just don't try to run before you can walk.

I know the excitement engendered when first getting either an EE or PE - I thought I was past that at 70+ when I got my EE, but no. Even so you should take the time just to explore it, find out what it can do, how it stores files, how the menus work and what they do in different situations. It took me a week just to know my way round my EE - and I run a company that installs and maintains computer systems - but you will find it is time well spent and at the end of it you will be doing things without thinking, just as you do with windows.

[kennyminot]

In my opinion, you're having a little "culture shock" after moving from the Windows environment. Just keep this in mind: Android and other touchscreen devices are designed to be easy. In fact, the goal is actually to eliminate much of the hassle of Windows. The idea is that you shouldn't have to copy around files. You shouldn't have to worry about messing up your tablet's settings. In fact, I rarely open my file explorer. Most of the time, I just trust that the various Android applications are going to store my information in the right place.

Unfortunately, due to the fact that the eDGe is now a retired product, you will have to use the file explorer to copy around digital books and *.pdf files. But it's not that difficult. I like the Google eBookstore, and you should be able to find instructions on how to easily download and copy over books into your library.

So my advice is just to take it easy! You'll figure it out!

[ivanjt]

Hilary, you have read the manual for your PE I assume - yes it is a little light on detail but it does give a general overview of what you can do.

[Gunnerp245]

Hilary, there are a number of entourage EE/PE videos on YouTube.

[vicinc]

i use dropbox shared among windows and android devices. best thing around.

[lorenzoens]

Hilary, like others just wrote: take it easy. It's everything much easier than you imagine.

Did you already see these?
https://www.fuzemeeting.com/view_mee...777/fa9018ce9d

They're a good point from where to start.

[Filark]

Lor! There they are!!

I was wondering if those tutorials still existed! Thank you for posting them.

Maybe Obsessed could add them to his massive "Resources" thread??