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SeaKing · 01-01-2012, 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by HansTWN

You were talking about Swatch from Switzerland --- actually they were allowed to seriously reduce the number of movements they have to deliver to competitors (I think by 20% next year and much more down the road).

Thanks HansTWN.
You and others are correct. I have been confusing the two countries Sweden and Switzerland. Perhaps it is because they are both Nordic, start with "S" and produce beautiful natural blondes.

HansTWN · 01-01-2012, 02:19 AM

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Originally Posted by SeaKing

Thanks HansTWN.
You and others are correct. I have been confusing the two countries Sweden and Switzerland. Perhaps it is because they are both Nordic, start with "S" and produce beautiful natural blondes.

Actually, the Nordic countries are the Scandinavian countries of Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Finland, and Iceland. Switzerland is mountainous and thus pretty cold (except for the Italian speaking part), but natural blondes are few and far between (as far as I have noticed). No big deal, anyway. Perhaps time for you to have a drink?

SeaKing · 01-01-2012, 02:29 AM

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Originally Posted by HansTWN

Actually, the Nordic countries are the Scandinavian countries of Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Finland, and Iceland. Switzerland is mountainous and thus pretty cold (except for the Italian speaking part), but natural blondes are few and far between (as far as I have noticed). No big deal, anyway. Perhaps time for you to have a drink?

Happy New Year.

HansTWN · 01-01-2012, 02:32 AM

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Originally Posted by SeaKing

Happy New Year.

Same to you, I will get a drink, too.

HarryT · 01-01-2012, 02:49 AM

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Originally Posted by SeaKing

Thanks HansTWN.
You and others are correct. I have been confusing the two countries Sweden and Switzerland. Perhaps it is because they are both Nordic, start with "S" and produce beautiful natural blondes.

Switzerland is most assuredly not a Nordic country. You might find it beneficial to look at a map

.

CommonReader · 01-01-2012, 12:09 PM

Just a hint:

Sweden: Elks, Astrid Lindgren, Stieg Larsson, blondes, Ingmar Bergman, Volvo, Ikea, Abba, Baltic coastline
Switzerland: Mountains, alphorns, Heidi, banks, chocolate, yodeling, alpine skiing, watches (contrary to the quip in the Third Man not cuckoo clocks, they are German)

For further information I suggest to look at a map. I would also suggest to look at rankings of global competitiveness, that regularly put Switzerland and Sweden on top:

Switzerland, Singapore and Sweden top the Global Competitiveness Report ranking

http://www.weforum.org/news/us-compe...re-closing-gap

Not too bad for fuddy-duddy, welfare "Old Europe", eh?

ATDrake · 01-01-2012, 03:26 PM

Here, in handy visual comic-strip format, is the very best explanation of the distinction between the officially Nordic and Scandinavian countries and their associated territories I have ever seen: How the North Works

Everything else can be assumed to be non-Nordic/Scandinavian.

ETA: It does omit Svalbard and the Jan Mayen Islands, but those are unlikely to come up in everyday conversation in most places.

soulfuldog · 01-01-2012, 04:00 PM

Ha I like that ATDrake.... but why is it that the wee Finnish guy is so unhappy looking compared to his fellow Nordic characters!?!

ATDrake · 01-01-2012, 04:08 PM

Well, apparently there's this in-comic joke going around about Finland being a hard-drinking depressive knife-wielding homicidal maniac because his national dish looks like something plopped on a plate*.

And also because Åland wanted to leave him to join Sweden†.

* I have never seen actual pictures of mämmi, so I have no idea if there really is any resemblance or not. Perhaps one of our Finnish members can weigh in on the matter.

† I should warn for large-font swearing on that comic, in case anyone is looking over your shoulder at work.

SeaKing · 01-01-2012, 05:29 PM

First off.
I stand corrected by many on Sweden and Switzerland.
I wish it was the first time I have been corrected, but alas it is not, and it won't be the last either.

How does one lose his bearings?
Where does the "horizon" go?

Here is the glamorous slant:
From Bono:

"I know a girl who's like the sea.' The sea and the sky become the same colour and you lose the horizon line as it disappears into infinity."

As for me, on this subject:

First a few notes:

I like watches, have had quite a few, have traded them as well, though now I have sold off, passed down, and reduced my stock drastically for financial and downsizing purposes, as I end the major part of my working life. I now use modern Casio and Timex and have a couple of my father's old Bulovas and a Seiko. As for as collectables I have only a few old primitive antiques that I picked up along the way, along with a some compasses, many with no recognizable name, but they are fun to look at and show to the grand kids. I think that is why I have kept them as I downsize. Little kids love old pocket watches that chime. Such bright little eyes that can study a watch movement from an inch or two away.

on Swedish Watch Companies:

http://www.watcheroo.com/swedish-watches.php

1 Arlanch
2 Axcent
3 DILLIGAF
4 Efva Attling
5 Epoch
6 Ezteem
7 GANT
8 GUL
9 Gustafsson & Sjögren
10 Poseidon
11 SAS
12 Sjöö Sandström
13 Time Studio
14 TRIWA

From Wikipedia---------Scandinavia and Nordic -----------------
The three monarchies (Denmark, Norway and Sweden) that compose Scandinavia according to the strictest, and most common, definition
The possible extended usage: Iceland and the Faroe Islands on account of their populations being largely descended from Scandinavians, Finland on account of its historical association with Sweden and its Scandinavian minority.

The Nordic countries make up a region in Northern Europe and the North Atlantic which consists of Denmark, Finland, Iceland, Norway and Sweden and their associated territories, the Faroe Islands, Greenland and Åland. In English, Scandinavia is sometimes used as a synonym for the Nordic countries (but excluding Greenland), despite the fact that that word is most strictly defined to refer only to Denmark, Norway and Sweden.[1]-------------------------------------------------------

So Scandinavia and Nordic more or less rhythm in commonality but how did I mix up Switzerland and Sweden besides losing my horizon? I think it is because the Swiss Swatch Watch Company has its watch movements in watches everywhere including Swedish watches and I had recently read an article about the Swatch watch movement supply controversy and how it would affect many, many watch companies that did not make their own movements.

Anyway, a new year is here and my head is feeling better already. And now if my team can continue its winning ways, or rather if both my teams can continue their winning ways since my favorite has already beaten my second favorite, I will really feel good.
I hope everyone will have a Happy New Year.

HansTWN · 01-01-2012, 09:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SeaKing

First off.
I stand corrected by many on Sweden and Switzerland.
I wish it was the first time I have been corrected, but alas it is not, and it won't be the last either.

How does one lose his bearings?
Where does the "horizon" go?

Here is the glamorous slant:
From Bono:

"I know a girl who's like the sea.' The sea and the sky become the same colour and you lose the horizon line as it disappears into infinity."

As for me, on this subject:

First a few notes:

I like watches, have had quite a few, have traded them as well, though now I have sold off, passed down, and reduced my stock drastically for financial and downsizing purposes, as I end the major part of my working life. I now use modern Casio and Timex and have a couple of my father's old Bulovas and a Seiko. As for as collectables I have only a few old primitive antiques that I picked up along the way, along with a some compasses, many with no recognizable name, but they are fun to look at and show to the grand kids. I think that is why I have kept them as I downsize. Little kids love old pocket watches that chime. Such bright little eyes that can study a watch movement from an inch or two away.

on Swedish Watch Companies:

http://www.watcheroo.com/swedish-watches.php

1 Arlanch
2 Axcent
3 DILLIGAF
4 Efva Attling
5 Epoch
6 Ezteem
7 GANT
8 GUL
9 Gustafsson & Sjögren
10 Poseidon
11 SAS
12 Sjöö Sandström
13 Time Studio
14 TRIWA

From Wikipedia---------Scandinavia and Nordic -----------------
The three monarchies (Denmark, Norway and Sweden) that compose Scandinavia according to the strictest, and most common, definition
The possible extended usage: Iceland and the Faroe Islands on account of their populations being largely descended from Scandinavians, Finland on account of its historical association with Sweden and its Scandinavian minority.

The Nordic countries make up a region in Northern Europe and the North Atlantic which consists of Denmark, Finland, Iceland, Norway and Sweden and their associated territories, the Faroe Islands, Greenland and Åland. In English, Scandinavia is sometimes used as a synonym for the Nordic countries (but excluding Greenland), despite the fact that that word is most strictly defined to refer only to Denmark, Norway and Sweden.[1]-------------------------------------------------------

So Scandinavia and Nordic more or less rhythm in commonality but how did I mix up Switzerland and Sweden besides losing my horizon? I think it is because the Swiss Swatch Watch Company has its watch movements in watches everywhere including Swedish watches and I had recently read an article about the Swatch watch movement supply controversy and how it would affect many, many watch companies that did not make their own movements.

Anyway, a new year is here and my head is feeling better already. And now if my team can continue its winning ways, or rather if both my teams can continue their winning ways since my favorite has already beaten my second favorite, I will really feel good.
I hope everyone will have a Happy New Year.

I am pretty sure you are the only one here who can fly a helicopter! --- Besides, all the Nordic countries combined have fewer people than a medium sized Asian city, so why should they stand out on your radar screen?

SeaKing · 01-02-2012, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by HansTWN

I am pretty sure you are the only one here who can fly a helicopter! --- Besides, all the Nordic countries combined have fewer people than a medium sized Asian city, so why should they stand out on your radar screen?

Hey man, thanks, but I feel bad that I was so wrong about Switzerland and Sweden The people on this site are intelligent and "well read" or else why would they come here. When I start spouting off, I should be reasonably sure that I am at least making a little geographical sense.

Sweden is certainly showing up on my charts now.
The $3 charge each time a eBook is checked out is insane. It would be cheaper to just send lending library trucks out loaded with copies of the paper books.

As for beautiful blondes I was thinking of Elin Nordegren, Tiger Woods' ex-wife, and many other beautiful Swedish models and movie Stars over the years.

Kumabjorn · 01-02-2012, 05:16 AM

I could be wrong, but I believe the $3 lending charge was negotiated by the Swedish publishing industry in order to curtail e-book lending. The libraries figured that people would borrow an e-book around four times a year totaling $12 on a yearly basis. There is nothing similar to Overdrive in Sweden so libraries can only lend with automatic expiration. The truth is that most e-Book reaers are probably imported on an individual basis, hence both libraries and publishing industry was grossly uninformed about the actual amount of available reader.

SeaKing · 01-02-2012, 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kumabjorn

I could be wrong, but I believe the $3 lending charge was negotiated by the Swedish publishing industry in order to curtail e-book lending. The libraries figured that people would borrow an e-book around four times a year totaling $12 on a yearly basis. There is nothing similar to Overdrive in Sweden so libraries can only lend with automatic expiration. The truth is that most e-Book reaers are probably imported on an individual basis, hence both libraries and publishing industry was grossly uninformed about the actual amount of available reader.

That makes sense. Might be other things as well, but you probably have some good insight there.

It is the old:
"They know not what they do."

CTH · 01-02-2012, 05:21 PM

It was possible to lend ebooks on libraries in sweden long before there was any e-readers available in sweden (and it might be before any real ereaders was available at all, not exact sure when it started but it started with PDF and also some audiobooks and stuff like that). The fee is from that time and therefore it is so high. It will prob be lowered quite dramatically.

01-01-2012, 03:26 PM	#37
ATDrake Wizzard Posts: 11,517 Karma: 33048258 Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Roundworld Device: Kindle 2 International, Sony PRS-T1, BlackBerry PlayBook, Acer Iconia	Here, in handy visual comic-strip format, is the very best explanation of the distinction between the officially Nordic and Scandinavian countries and their associated territories I have ever seen: How the North Works Everything else can be assumed to be non-Nordic/Scandinavian. ETA: It does omit Svalbard and the Jan Mayen Islands, but those are unlikely to come up in everyday conversation in most places. Last edited by ATDrake; 01-01-2012 at 03:40 PM. Reason: But you can just lump them as associated territories anyway.

01-01-2012, 04:08 PM	#39
ATDrake Wizzard Posts: 11,517 Karma: 33048258 Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Roundworld Device: Kindle 2 International, Sony PRS-T1, BlackBerry PlayBook, Acer Iconia	Well, apparently there's this in-comic joke going around about Finland being a hard-drinking depressive knife-wielding homicidal maniac because his national dish looks like something plopped on a plate. And also because Åland wanted to leave him to join Sweden†. I have never seen actual pictures of mämmi, so I have no idea if there really is any resemblance or not. Perhaps one of our Finnish members can weigh in on the matter. † I should warn for large-font swearing on that comic, in case anyone is looking over your shoulder at work. Last edited by ATDrake; 01-01-2012 at 04:12 PM. Reason: "A vague disclaimer is nobody's friend."

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SeaKing Frequent Flier Posts: 1,282 Karma: 2058993297 Join Date: Oct 2011 Device: KB kindle aboard, Galx Tab 7.0 Plus, trying out Droid 1 as mini-tab	First off. I stand corrected by many on Sweden and Switzerland. I wish it was the first time I have been corrected, but alas it is not, and it won't be the last either. How does one lose his bearings? Where does the "horizon" go? Here is the glamorous slant: From Bono: "I know a girl who's like the sea.' The sea and the sky become the same colour and you lose the horizon line as it disappears into infinity." As for me, on this subject: First a few notes: I like watches, have had quite a few, have traded them as well, though now I have sold off, passed down, and reduced my stock drastically for financial and downsizing purposes, as I end the major part of my working life. I now use modern Casio and Timex and have a couple of my father's old Bulovas and a Seiko. As for as collectables I have only a few old primitive antiques that I picked up along the way, along with a some compasses, many with no recognizable name, but they are fun to look at and show to the grand kids. I think that is why I have kept them as I downsize. Little kids love old pocket watches that chime. Such bright little eyes that can study a watch movement from an inch or two away. on Swedish Watch Companies: http://www.watcheroo.com/swedish-watches.php 1 Arlanch 2 Axcent 3 DILLIGAF 4 Efva Attling 5 Epoch 6 Ezteem 7 GANT 8 GUL 9 Gustafsson & Sjögren 10 Poseidon 11 SAS 12 Sjöö Sandström 13 Time Studio 14 TRIWA From Wikipedia---------Scandinavia and Nordic ----------------- The three monarchies (Denmark, Norway and Sweden) that compose Scandinavia according to the strictest, and most common, definition The possible extended usage: Iceland and the Faroe Islands on account of their populations being largely descended from Scandinavians, Finland on account of its historical association with Sweden and its Scandinavian minority. The Nordic countries make up a region in Northern Europe and the North Atlantic which consists of Denmark, Finland, Iceland, Norway and Sweden and their associated territories, the Faroe Islands, Greenland and Åland. In English, Scandinavia is sometimes used as a synonym for the Nordic countries (but excluding Greenland), despite the fact that that word is most strictly defined to refer only to Denmark, Norway and Sweden.[1]------------------------------------------------------- So Scandinavia and Nordic more or less rhythm in commonality but how did I mix up Switzerland and Sweden besides losing my horizon? I think it is because the Swiss Swatch Watch Company has its watch movements in watches everywhere including Swedish watches and I had recently read an article about the Swatch watch movement supply controversy and how it would affect many, many watch companies that did not make their own movements. Anyway, a new year is here and my head is feeling better already. And now if my team can continue its winning ways, or rather if both my teams can continue their winning ways since my favorite has already beaten my second favorite, I will really feel good. I hope everyone will have a Happy New Year.

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Kumabjorn Basculocolpic Posts: 4,356 Karma: 20181319 Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Sweden Device: Kindle 3 WiFi, Kindle 4SO, Kindle for Android, Sony PRS-350 and PRS-T1	I could be wrong, but I believe the $3 lending charge was negotiated by the Swedish publishing industry in order to curtail e-book lending. The libraries figured that people would borrow an e-book around four times a year totaling $12 on a yearly basis. There is nothing similar to Overdrive in Sweden so libraries can only lend with automatic expiration. The truth is that most e-Book reaers are probably imported on an individual basis, hence both libraries and publishing industry was grossly uninformed about the actual amount of available reader.

01-02-2012, 05:21 PM	#45
CTH Zealot Posts: 129 Karma: 1000153 Join Date: Jan 2007	It was possible to lend ebooks on libraries in sweden long before there was any e-readers available in sweden (and it might be before any real ereaders was available at all, not exact sure when it started but it started with PDF and also some audiobooks and stuff like that). The fee is from that time and therefore it is so high. It will prob be lowered quite dramatically.

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