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Why can't you just make your point without insulting people? I think WP7 is interesting, too, but there are lots of reasons not to buy it now. Good reasons. And there's plenty of colorful logos and media "hurf blurf" surrounding WP7 -it's not like it's a secret OS that a couple of tinkerers put together in their basement. Quote:
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Companies do make money on hardware. If no one made money on hardware, we wouldn't be able to participate on this forum using our computers/laptops/tablets/smartphones, etc. Software does have a lower barrier of entry (for the most part), but look at companies like Dell, HP, Intel, HTC, Samsung, Lenovo, etc - all hardware companies - and all have successful, and mostly profitable hardware businesses.
In the tablet space, it seems that companies outside of Apple are finding it difficult to make money, but we can't use this one example to over generalize that there is no money to be made in making hardware. |
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Instead of buying palm for $1.2B, imagine if they gave me that money. I would be so damn happy. I sure as hell wouldn't waste it. No, seriously....they could have done sooo many better things with that money....like buying all the art of da vinci, van gogh, etc...and putting them like in the lobby of the headquarters so employees can enjoy them! but no, they bought palm!? seriously?! pathetic.
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![]() You make more money, 200% or more, with software, because is an intangible product. People can download software thousand of times from a web server or link and the company keeps making money from it. Music is a good example. Apps, another one. There is no production line or hardware's logistic involve on that, which it is, with tablets, PCs, laptops, etc. You will be surprise how little money HP makes selling PCs, one of the reason why previous CEO thought about selling the whole business unit. It is not profitable anymore, not like used to be. Not if you want to sell an affordable device, which ranges on the 500 bucks. Apple is the exception to the rule. But Apple products are not cheap by any means. Last edited by jocampo; 12-14-2011 at 02:47 PM. |
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IMO, this is the death rattle of WebOS.
HP isn't going to put any real effort into it, and if it's true that they don't own all the IP, then by the time those components get replaced and smoothly integrated, Android will be significantly more advanced. I don't see this working out any better than going open source did for BeOS. |
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What makes you think that HP won't invest on webOs. Do you have any article or source that makes you think or believe that? |
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I don't think it was a pathetic purchase, I think the pathetic move was to not give WebOS a fighting chance before their high profile abandonment. |
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Leo is gone because that was horrible decision plus was doing a bad job anyway, even before. Can't give you details, but basically the supply change PSG provides surpasses any low profit margin or even loss. Think about it as a commodity, the Ace to win the hand when ordering parts, like screens or chips. And you are not correct about software business. The initial R&N could be high, but the ROI is bigger. It is more expensive to maintain a production manufacturing line than a pool of developers. You need to revise your numbers ot adjust that to a big company. Careful. I'm not saying the TouchPad was an awesome tablet, but WebOs is not a bad Os like many think. The acquisition made sense but was not properly guided. Last edited by jocampo; 12-15-2011 at 09:01 AM. Reason: Fixing a typo |
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Of course the TouchPad is an awesome tablet! I wouldn't trade it for another model.That being said, they could have made a tablet that looked a lot better and paid Netflix and some other important app providers to come on board and they would have had a hit. HP was just too slow and inflexible.
And while from the PC hardware side they didn't generate a lot of profits on a percentage basis, it is still a lot of money in absolute terms. Some of their PCs are really wonderfully thought out and styled, and of superior quality (like the Elite notebook 2740p I am using right now). Compared to Apple they obviously didn't do enough to squeeze their supply chain and didn't spend enough on marketing and making their products sexy. I guess that was where WebOS was supposed to come in -- a way to differentiate themselves, not just sell a box with standard software (be it Windows or Android). They just didn't execute. |
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HP's next great acquisition will be Research in Motion...lol.
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http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-sourc...-arrival/10003 http://www.forbes.com/sites/ewanspen...eath-of-webos/ http://news.cnet.com/8301-30685_3-57...n-source-fire/ Is that enough technopessimism for you? ![]() Of course it doesn't hurt to be an optimist, but in this particular case I don't see WebOS gaining much traction. |
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The fact is, will be open source and the company will put lot of work, money and time, so won't be dead. Anything else is speculation. Will developers or public keep the support? That's another thing. It could be something similar to what people say about MySQL when Oracle bought it. It is still running and being used. Last edited by jocampo; 12-15-2011 at 10:17 AM. Reason: Fixing a typo |
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