Amazon was highest bidder in Hocking auction

[Piper_]

Originally Posted by mr ploppy

70% if they are cheaper than $2.99, or 30% if they are higher.

I'm pretty sure those are the cuts Amazon gives the authors instead of the cut Amazon takes, aren't they?

I know Amazon rewards authors who charge lower prices by giving them a higher cut. They also give the lower cut if the author/pub disables tts.

[mr ploppy]

No, you only get 30% if they are priced at less than $2.99. Presumably because of the transportation and payment processing costs involved, which would be a higher percentage of the payment for low value items.

[Piper_]

Right, it's 30% royalty if it's under $2.99.

But my understanding is that Amazon gives them 70% if they price it anywhere between $2.99 and $9.99.

(and don't turn off TTS and aren't less than 20% cheaper than the paper version.)

I'm not sure what they give if it's over $9.99 or under $0.99, but 30% sounds right.

[OtterBooks]

Originally Posted by mr ploppy

70% if they are cheaper than $2.99, or 30% if they are higher.

Higher or equal to, which explains why so many indie authored books are $2.99. Interesting. I guess Amazon does fine either way. I've never had anything against Amazon, but the drive for retail exclusivity of literary works doesn't sit well with me. Whether it makes sense from a business point of view, I'm not qualified to debate other than a bit of guesswork.

Another thing is: how high was Amazon's bid? Was it just a bit higher, or a crap ton higher in order to compensate for the exclusivity?

Anyway, this put the book in the hands of the Big Six and Agency Pricing, so I can't imagine many people here cheering for either side.

[mr ploppy]

Personally I think she was stupid to give away ebook rights, she should have just sold realbook rights.

[Piper_]

Originally Posted by mr ploppy

70% if they are cheaper than $2.99, or 30% if they are higher.

Originally Posted by OtterBooks

Higher or equal to, which explains why so many indie authored books are $2.99.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/...60J2R620100120

Under the new program, which takes effect on June 30, [2010] Amazon will pay authors and publishers 70 percent of a book's list price, net of delivery costs. The plan is limited to e-books whose list price is between $2.99 and $9.99.

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by vaughnmr

In another thread, you are criticizing someone for removing the drm from their library ebooks so they can use them on their reader. Now you're talking about pirating ebooks (and once again, bashing Amazon). Where do you really stand?

I stand on what I said. It's not contradictory. I am for library eBooks and against exclusive eBooks. Amazon is the main problem as far as exclusive eBooks.

I'm only saying to pirate exclusive eBooks It's an affront to readers (people who read). If you don't read Amazon's eBooks and/or strip DRM/convert (which a lot of people do not), you cannot get the exclusive eBooks. That's just wrong.

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by CleverClothe

St. Martin's Press is owned by Macmillan, so it is an Agency publisher. Amazon will be getting 30% of whatever sales come through its store. And St. Martin's Press will determine the price.

If Amazon had scored the publishing rights, it would get 70-85% (whatever they decide to pay Hocking) and it would determine the price of the books.

I think that last point is very important here.

What's important that you missed out on is If Amazon had the rights, the distribution would have been only to people who read Amazon's eBooks. Those that do not and do not strip DRM would be screwed if they wanted any of these eBooks.

[vaughnmr]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

I stand on what I said. It's not contradictory. I am for library eBooks and against exclusive eBooks. Amazon is the main problem as far as exclusive eBooks.

I'm only saying to pirate exclusive eBooks It's an affront to readers (people who read). If you don't read Amazon's eBooks and/or strip DRM/convert (which a lot of people do not), you cannot get the exclusive eBooks. That's just wrong.

So do you also pirate geo-restricted books?

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by Nyssa

If they have a computer, they have a device that can be turned into a Kindle device. The question is, do they want to turn their computer into a Kindle device.

I turned both my computer and my phone my into a Nook before I was gifted my Kindle. I still keep all of the apps (as stated in my profile box). Do I use them? Not so much, because, I have my Kindle.

Not everyone has a phone that can run the Kindle app or even want to. A lot of people do not like reading eBooks on their computer. A lot of people do not strip DRM. A lot of people do not have a portable device that run the Kindle app.

I have an iPhone. I don't read eBooks with it. I have a computer and a laptop. I don't read eBooks with either. I don't have an iPad or any other tablet. I have a Sony Reader PRS-650. It doesn't handle Kindle eBooks.

Lots of people are in a situation where they have a device they use to read eBook that doesn't handle Kindle eBooks and they do not use their computer to read eBooks.

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by Piper_

http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/...60J2R620100120

Under the new program, which takes effect on June 30, [2010] Amazon will pay authors and publishers 70 percent of a book's list price, net of delivery costs. The plan is limited to e-books whose list price is between $2.99 and $9.99.

And Amazon will pay agency publishers 70% regardless of price.

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by vaughnmr

So do you also pirate geo-restricted books?

No, I do not. I don't know if an eBook available in the USA is going to be available elsewhere and it's just a matter of the contract saying the eBook will be released later.

[Nyssa]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

Not everyone has a phone that can run the Kindle app or even want to. A lot of people do not like reading eBooks on their computer. A lot of people do not strip DRM. A lot of people do not have a portable device that run the Kindle app.

I have an iPhone. I don't read eBooks with it. I have a computer and a laptop. I don't read eBooks with either. I don't have an iPad or any other tablet. I have a Sony Reader PRS-650. It doesn't handle Kindle eBooks.

Lots of people are in a situation where they have a device they use to read eBook that doesn't handle Kindle eBooks and they do not use their computer to read eBooks.

Do you ever actually read the posts before you respond?
I said and I quote

Originally Posted by Nyssa

The question is, do they want to turn their computer into a Kindle device.

I then went on to explain what I did. Yes, lots of people have or don't have lots of things. There are many things I would love to have that I probably never will. My whole point, in response to Mr. Ploppy's post seen here:

Originally Posted by mr ploppy

Yes, those are all Kindle devices. But a lot of people don't have Kindle devices or devices that can be turned into them.

is that if they want to use the Kindle options available to them, they can. Just like I was able to use the Nook options available to me, without buying a Nook.

[Giggleton]

Originally Posted by Nyssa

if they want to use the Kindle options available to them, they can. Just like I was able to use the Nook options available to me, without buying a Nook.

And if this hypothetical individual lives somewhere where their government has disallowed the use of any Amazon product? What should this individual do if they wish to read an Amazon exclusive ebook?

[Nyssa]

Originally Posted by Giggleton

And if this hypothetical individual lives somewhere where their government has disallowed the use of any Amazon product? What should this individual do if they wish to read an Amazon exclusive ebook?

Move?

It doesn't change the fact that if they have a computer, they have a device that can be turned into a Kindle device, should they choose to do so. (If we want to get a little more technical - if they have a computer with the necessary specifications needed to to support the necessary applications). Of course, for your hypothetical scenario, that all depends on whether or not it is important enough to them, as far as, breaking the law. Since I'm not a huge fan of breaking laws or risking the welfare of my family, I would probably choose an alternate route and no longer wish to read an Amazon exclusive ebook.