PLEASE HELP - Page 3

DMSmillie · 03-09-2011, 05:07 PM

If it isn't possible to get additional clarification from the people you bought the works from, I'd suggest that "master resell rights" might not include the right to reproduce the work in a different format. "Private label resell rights", on the other hand, do include the right to edit and amend the work and its format.

See Wikipedia: Resell Rights

Hellmark · 03-09-2011, 05:09 PM

I also doubt that he has the rights to reproduce, period.

DMSmillie · 03-09-2011, 05:26 PM

Guys - there's a whole market out there with people commissioning others to write ebooks and articles on all sorts of subjects, where the writers hand over all rights in the works to the buyers. The buyers then, most usually, sell those ebooks and articles on their websites in a range of different packages, with different rights attached - some might simply be the right to publish the articles on your own website, others might be the right to resell the ebooks but with no right to resell the resell rights, others might be full 'master resell rights' where you can resell the right to resell the material, or 'private label resell rights' where you have full rights to edit the content of the ebook or article and put your own name to it as author, resell it, use it as you wish, etc.

Needless to say, the original writers don't get paid much for these, and the quality is...um...variable. If you browse the ads on Elance, you'll see lots of jobs for ebooks and articles in this vein. The writers aren't getting ripped off - they know exactly what they're being asked to provide. The questionable aspect, though, is when material that has started life in this way is subsequently sold as quality material to unsuspecting customers looking for, for example, "Everything You Ever Wanted to Know About Turtles" or whatever.

andreibest · 03-09-2011, 07:25 PM

DMSmillie Gave the answer i was actually looking for (even tho all the other peopel were helpful as well), if the ebooks are private label rights i can do what ever i want with them, which is what i wanted to know, thanks =) Also i get ebooks for different sources, the ebooks I'm uploading to my site atm actual have a text file or says on the ebook it self what i can and cannot do, and where it says i can give the ebooks away for free i post them to my site. But it would be good if i can just convert all of the ebooks that have "give away" rights as this would bring more people to my site =)

ardeegee · 03-09-2011, 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hellmark

I also doubt that he has the rights to reproduce, period.

I doubt that he should reproduce, period.

DMSmillie · 03-09-2011, 09:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ardeegee

I doubt that he should reproduce, period.

That is quite uncalled for, and totally unnecessary.

snipenekkid · 03-09-2011, 09:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DMSmillie

That is quite uncalled for, and totally unnecessary.

the comment --- or the act?

I agree but I am betting it was a comment in good fun not intentionally trying to, well, you know. I mean my buddies and I are like that with each other all the time. In fact one of my favorite observations, OK two of them are: "you are living proof stoopid people she never breed" or "...so, how is your brother-dad doing these days?" We have some retorts as well but guys and friends are just like that with each other, and it's all in FUN not anything else.

I realize it probably comes across as something other than that with just written words so in is the case the commenter should make sure it's presented in good-humor for sure. But in my world ya gotta "grow a pair" if you expect to be included. Sensitives and those who take things too seriously need not apply because, well, we will eat your young, steal your girl and talk about it while it's happening. Then you should see what we do to people we don't like.

DMSmillie · 03-09-2011, 10:17 PM

If it was meant tongue in cheek, my apologies. Just... I don't see any other signs of good humour or jesting anywhere in this thread - quite the opposite, so read ardeegee's comment in that context. Given the tone of comments in the thread up to that point, maybe something more obviously humorous might have been preferable...

snipenekkid · 03-09-2011, 10:30 PM

yeah, ya prolly have a point as I mentioned we make sure it's know in good fun and when making a comment online ya have to be very sure to let people know it's all in good fun. Still i feel people take this stuff way to seriously. Hey we all are guilty of it so I am in there as well. And I also feel you are right to point it out, just wanted to also point out it did not come across as more than a flippant retort. Right time, right place? eh, dunno, but I did sorta chuckle at it.

andreibest · 03-09-2011, 11:05 PM

I also doubt that he has the rights to reproduce, period.
I doubt that he should reproduce, period.
what does that mean?

Worldwalker · 03-09-2011, 11:59 PM

/me whimpers quietly in the corner.

DMSmillie · 03-10-2011, 12:01 AM

Hellmark was debating whether or not you actually have the right to reproduce (i.e. copy and redistribute) the ebooks you were talking about.

Ardeegee then introduced a pun, or play on words, with the word "reproduce", using it in the sense of reproducing yourself, passing on your genes, having children.

I took it to be a rather insulting and insensitive way of expressing his distaste for the "mass produced" nature of the ebooks being discussed. Snipenekkid feels it was more likely to be a flippant and perhaps thoughtless attempt at humour.

HarryT · 03-10-2011, 02:59 AM

Private Label Rights are generally a scam - a pyramid scheme. Don't get suckered it.

Worldwalker · 03-10-2011, 08:48 AM

What Harry said.

There is no easy way to make money from ebooks. If there was, I'd be doing it.

snipenekkid · 03-10-2011, 02:06 PM

hmmmm...to butcher a few posts into one, I guess this is called a "mash up" today?

I wonder, does "private label reproduction" enter into the picture? It seems to apply but, well, where? But as Harry mentions it, "private label" options, would appear to be a scheme to separate fools from their, well, ummm...hmmmmph, not sure.

note: Jokes aside, Harry is right in that the whole purpose of these "private label publishing rights" devices are not offered with the goal of selling, or even giving them free, to the consumer. The goal is to sell more of these "rights" to people looking to use them as was indicated earlier to try and garner hits and drive ad revenue via click-troughs or whatever options that site might hold for the owner. BTW, as a rule those book bundles are sorta, well, sleazy on their best day. Sure there are some legit "private label" content providers out there just as there are some "legit" nudie-bars but they are few and far in-between.

03-09-2011, 07:25 PM	#34
andreibest Junior Member Posts: 9 Karma: 10 Join Date: Mar 2011 Device: kindle	DMSmillie Gave the answer i was actually looking for (even tho all the other peopel were helpful as well), if the ebooks are private label rights i can do what ever i want with them, which is what i wanted to know, thanks =) Also i get ebooks for different sources, the ebooks I'm uploading to my site atm actual have a text file or says on the ebook it self what i can and cannot do, and where it says i can give the ebooks away for free i post them to my site. But it would be good if i can just convert all of the ebooks that have "give away" rights as this would bring more people to my site =) Last edited by andreibest; 03-09-2011 at 07:28 PM.

03-09-2011, 05:07 PM	#31
DMSmillie Enquiring Mind Posts: 562 Karma: 42350 Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: London, UK Device: Kindle 3 (WiFi)	If it isn't possible to get additional clarification from the people you bought the works from, I'd suggest that "master resell rights" might not include the right to reproduce the work in a different format. "Private label resell rights", on the other hand, do include the right to edit and amend the work and its format. See Wikipedia: Resell Rights

03-09-2011, 05:09 PM	#32
Hellmark Wizard Posts: 2,592 Karma: 4290425 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Foristell, Missouri, USA Device: Nokia N800, PRS-505, Nook STR Glowlight, Kindle 3, Kobo Libra 2	I also doubt that he has the rights to reproduce, period.

03-09-2011, 05:26 PM	#33
DMSmillie Enquiring Mind Posts: 562 Karma: 42350 Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: London, UK Device: Kindle 3 (WiFi)	Guys - there's a whole market out there with people commissioning others to write ebooks and articles on all sorts of subjects, where the writers hand over all rights in the works to the buyers. The buyers then, most usually, sell those ebooks and articles on their websites in a range of different packages, with different rights attached - some might simply be the right to publish the articles on your own website, others might be the right to resell the ebooks but with no right to resell the resell rights, others might be full 'master resell rights' where you can resell the right to resell the material, or 'private label resell rights' where you have full rights to edit the content of the ebook or article and put your own name to it as author, resell it, use it as you wish, etc. Needless to say, the original writers don't get paid much for these, and the quality is...um...variable. If you browse the ads on Elance, you'll see lots of jobs for ebooks and articles in this vein. The writers aren't getting ripped off - they know exactly what they're being asked to provide. The questionable aspect, though, is when material that has started life in this way is subsequently sold as quality material to unsuspecting customers looking for, for example, "Everything You Ever Wanted to Know About Turtles" or whatever.

03-09-2011, 10:17 PM	#38
DMSmillie Enquiring Mind Posts: 562 Karma: 42350 Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: London, UK Device: Kindle 3 (WiFi)	If it was meant tongue in cheek, my apologies. Just... I don't see any other signs of good humour or jesting anywhere in this thread - quite the opposite, so read ardeegee's comment in that context. Given the tone of comments in the thread up to that point, maybe something more obviously humorous might have been preferable...

03-09-2011, 10:30 PM	#39
snipenekkid Banned Posts: 760 Karma: 51034 Join Date: Feb 2009	yeah, ya prolly have a point as I mentioned we make sure it's know in good fun and when making a comment online ya have to be very sure to let people know it's all in good fun. Still i feel people take this stuff way to seriously. Hey we all are guilty of it so I am in there as well. And I also feel you are right to point it out, just wanted to also point out it did not come across as more than a flippant retort. Right time, right place? eh, dunno, but I did sorta chuckle at it.

03-09-2011, 11:05 PM	#40
andreibest Junior Member Posts: 9 Karma: 10 Join Date: Mar 2011 Device: kindle	I also doubt that he has the rights to reproduce, period. I doubt that he should reproduce, period. what does that mean?

03-09-2011, 11:59 PM	#41
Worldwalker Curmudgeon Posts: 3,085 Karma: 722357 Join Date: Feb 2010 Device: PRS-505	/me whimpers quietly in the corner.

03-10-2011, 12:01 AM	#42
DMSmillie Enquiring Mind Posts: 562 Karma: 42350 Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: London, UK Device: Kindle 3 (WiFi)	Hellmark was debating whether or not you actually have the right to reproduce (i.e. copy and redistribute) the ebooks you were talking about. Ardeegee then introduced a pun, or play on words, with the word "reproduce", using it in the sense of reproducing yourself, passing on your genes, having children. I took it to be a rather insulting and insensitive way of expressing his distaste for the "mass produced" nature of the ebooks being discussed. Snipenekkid feels it was more likely to be a flippant and perhaps thoughtless attempt at humour.

03-10-2011, 02:59 AM	#43
HarryT eBook Enthusiast Posts: 85,544 Karma: 93383099 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6	Private Label Rights are generally a scam - a pyramid scheme. Don't get suckered it.

03-10-2011, 08:48 AM	#44
Worldwalker Curmudgeon Posts: 3,085 Karma: 722357 Join Date: Feb 2010 Device: PRS-505	What Harry said. There is no easy way to make money from ebooks. If there was, I'd be doing it.

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03-10-2011, 02:06 PM	#45
snipenekkid Banned Posts: 760 Karma: 51034 Join Date: Feb 2009	hmmmm...to butcher a few posts into one, I guess this is called a "mash up" today? I wonder, does "private label reproduction" enter into the picture? It seems to apply but, well, where? But as Harry mentions it, "private label" options, would appear to be a scheme to separate fools from their, well, ummm...hmmmmph, not sure. note: Jokes aside, Harry is right in that the whole purpose of these "private label publishing rights" devices are not offered with the goal of selling, or even giving them free, to the consumer. The goal is to sell more of these "rights" to people looking to use them as was indicated earlier to try and garner hits and drive ad revenue via click-troughs or whatever options that site might hold for the owner. BTW, as a rule those book bundles are sorta, well, sleazy on their best day. Sure there are some legit "private label" content providers out there just as there are some "legit" nudie-bars but they are few and far in-between.