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Old 02-25-2011, 02:30 PM   #31
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What do you think of the Indies? Technically, we're all agency priced too because that's the only way we can get onto Amazon or Barnes and Noble or whatever. Granted we're mostly charging .99-5.99. Are you boycotting us as well? And if not, why not?
Bought four, two as gifts, two for myself, so I'm certainly not boycotting. I found the topics interesting enough to read a sample chapter, then the chapter was good enough for me to buy the whole product.
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I am more interested in agency pricing in terms of what publishers are not on the list.
Ditto.
I don't have a list because I'm not buying *anything* from the PriceFix Five; not ebook, not print book. Not new or used. Not at retail or through the book clubs. It's not about price as I actually spent more in 2010 that in previous years but it is about not rewarding their behavior.

I doubt they're noticing my boycott or care.
I doubt I'm making a difference at all.
But it matters to me.

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Old 02-25-2011, 02:41 PM   #34
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What do you think of the Indies? Technically, we're all agency priced too because that's the only way we can get onto Amazon or Barnes and Noble or whatever. Granted we're mostly charging .99-5.99. Are you boycotting us as well? And if not, why not?
But in the case of Amazon, and I assume the others too, they are able to discount those books if they choose to do so (I've seen it happen - a 74p Indie book discounted to 49p by Amazon for a few weeks!) but they are not allowed to do that with the Agency publishers. So no, I'm not boycotting the Indies only the big 5 and their imprints.

Edit: and it's not about the price... I didn't mind paying £8 something a few months back for a Naguib Mahfouz ebook from a non-agency publisher, on the other hand there was a promotional freebie that might just have interested me but that I didn't download because it was from an agency publisher
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What do you think of the Indies? Technically, we're all agency priced too because that's the only way we can get onto Amazon or Barnes and Noble or whatever. Granted we're mostly charging .99-5.99. Are you boycotting us as well? And if not, why not?
As I said, for me it is about boycottting the *publishers*; not the price and not the scheme. The Price-Fix Five are getting no money from me.

Everybody else, I'm open to if they catch my eye.
As pointed out, the issue is allowing price competition for ebooks.
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Old 02-25-2011, 04:27 PM   #36
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As I said, for me it is about boycottting the *publishers*; not the price and not the scheme. The Price-Fix Five are getting no money from me.

Everybody else, I'm open to if they catch my eye.
As pointed out, the issue is allowing price competition for ebooks.
I guess this is what I'm not getting. As Indies we are the publishers.

Now if Amazon can discount us (I'm too lazy to check my contract right now) then I can see that as being an out.

But if what you don't like is the publisher setting the price, how are we any different?
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Old 02-25-2011, 05:40 PM   #37
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What do you think of the Indies? Technically, we're all agency priced too because that's the only way we can get onto Amazon or Barnes and Noble or whatever. Granted we're mostly charging .99-5.99. Are you boycotting us as well? And if not, why not?
My issue, be it 'indies' or otherwise, is not the price itself as a dollar amount, but rather the price as it is relative to other options which may be available to me. This is why the 'agency' pricing has been an issue---because paper copies CAN be discounted, so I frequently encounter situations where an ebook version costs more than the lowest-priced paper option, so I feel like I am being punished for being an ebook fan and I feel like the publishers are not taking my business seriously. It's not that I can't afford $6 or $8 or whatever it is. It's that I am offended I am being asked to pay MORE money for something that has less cost to produce, which can't be lent or re-sold, which can be removed from my bookshelf at the publisher's whim etc.

Similarly, an indie who priced their book at $9 would not get my business because I know I can get a professionally edited book by a name author for that price so why would I take my chances on a possibly not very well edited book by someone I have never heard of for that same amount? It's not that I can't afford $9. It's that it's (to me) an unreasonable price for what I'm getting in that particular situation.
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Old 02-25-2011, 08:43 PM   #38
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I had purchased Sony giftcards at 40% off, so I bought a small number (under 12) from the Agency publishers with the giftcards. I plan to buy a few more with the B&N groupon certificates. During the same time period, I bought several hundred books from non-Agency publishers.
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Old 02-26-2011, 06:03 AM   #39
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Only 1. The Help. I'll probably give in and buy it at some point as the price difference is only about £4. But it's still a matter of principle to me. Why should I pay £7 for something which was £3 a few months ago.
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Old 02-26-2011, 07:40 AM   #40
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Most are not aware of what agency pricing are and very willing to pay any price for anything at all. I have a rather dim view of human nature.
I find it hard to get outraged at people trying to maximize profit over the sale of luxury goods. And let's face it, the whole ebook thing is still pretty much a luxury issue for residents of first world nations.

Don't get me wrong, I'm happy to live where I live, and happy to have access to the latest luxury goods, but come on! There are real problems in the world, this is not one of them!
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I find it hard to get outraged at people trying to maximize profit over the sale of luxury goods. And let's face it, the whole ebook thing is still pretty much a luxury issue for residents of first world nations.

Don't get me wrong, I'm happy to live where I live, and happy to have access to the latest luxury goods, but come on! There are real problems in the world, this is not one of them!
Books are a luxury?
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Books are a luxury?
Ebooks are. I'm fairly sure a decent argument can be made that books in general are as well.

If we consider luxury to be anything beyond basic survival, then yes, all books are luxuries. We do not need books. No one has died for lack of them.

If we consider luxury to be the things that make us comfortable and happy, then books are definitely a luxury.

If by luxury you mean decadent and wasteful lily-gilding excess, then no, they aren't.
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Books are necessary to civilization.

People don't die from illiteracy either. Is literacy a luxury?
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What do you think of the Indies? Technically, we're all agency priced too because that's the only way we can get onto Amazon or Barnes and Noble or whatever. Granted we're mostly charging .99-5.99. Are you boycotting us as well? And if not, why not?
I think that most people who claim to be boycotting on principle are actually boycotting because they don't like paying the higher prices. If the agency 5 set new book prices at $8.99, MR would be full of people boycotting Amazon because of how Amazon ripped them off for years with its $9.99 pricing, and would be praising Agency pricing because it cuts out the middleman.
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Andrew, I am boycotting on principle - so as I've said, I don't mind paying £8 (that's $12 to $13) for an ebook from a non-agency publisher and I also refuse to download the free promotional ebooks from the agency lot. Amazon is allowed to discount Indie books - I don't care if they actually do or not, that's not the point. Most of what I want to read is hardly discounted anyway because it's not the bestselling stuff.
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