What's new in 1.8? - Page 3

Psyke · 12-17-2010, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by KoboNo

The purpose of this update was to give original users a device that they thought they were buying when it originally launched.

When I originally bought the original Kobo, I believed I was buying an e-reader. I knew there was no dictionary, nor wireless, and a bunch of other things, because it didn't say it had those things in the advertising I read. I knew, when I purchased it, that it was a no frills e-reader, and that's what I got. The only real reason I returned it because I got one with a defective battery, and since the Wifi version was announced on the same day ( I found out before the purchase), I decided to wait to get a new one.

I know from reading this forum, that some extra features were said to come in the way of updates. If you based your purchase decisions on the assumption that those updates would come to fruition, then that's your problem. I've been in the IT field long enough to know that if I'm going to purchase things with the hopes that additional features are going to come as laid out, I'm sure to be disapointed more often than not because as firmware development goes on, features are dropped/replaced/added to due to time, hardware limitations, budget constraints as well as belief that perhaps the finished feature will not live up to the expectations believed to be held by the clients. Feature additions also innevitably get delayed due to the same reasons.

Lastly, the box or advertisements never said that the device was upgradeable. Making an assumption that it was is stupid.

cheers!
Steph S.

baronrus · 12-17-2010, 02:49 PM

Care to elaborate what fancy server footwork you are referring to? Stop posting nonsense that you are not qualified to talk about. Are you actually familiar with the Kobo architecture and comfortable discussing the device's software and database structure?[/QUOTE]

Taking pot shots at members of the forum who have done nothing but contribute their time and effort towards posting usefull and helpful advice is definitly offside.

Especially considering every post I've read from you lately right down to your screen name is nothing but Bit&ching and complaining about the Kobo. If you dont like it fine, if you rather read on your Sony fine, if you want to drop in and troll fine, but at least be respectfull to members who have tried to help others enjoy their device.

taming · 12-17-2010, 03:24 PM

On November 30, Kobo staff told those of us in the beta group that to get non-DRM books working with the dictionary they would have to have them use the same renderer that the kepub books use. That is not in the cards for now. That seems like fancy server footwork to me.

I find it so seldom necessary to be rude, that I am always amazed when other people use that as their default.

dwprice · 12-17-2010, 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KoboNo

Stop posting nonsense that you are not qualified to talk about. Are you actually familiar with the Kobo architecture and comfortable discussing the device's software and database structure?

I thought it was worth logging in to note how RUDE this reply is.

If you don't have something constructive to contribute, please get lost. Your anxiety over your KOBO is causing you to act like a spoiled brat.

3d0g · 12-17-2010, 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KoboNo

Care to elaborate what fancy server footwork you are referring to? Stop posting nonsense that you are not qualified to talk about. Are you actually familiar with the Kobo architecture and comfortable discussing the device's software and database structure?

Wow.

And the douche of the year award goes to...

baronrus · 12-17-2010, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by 3d0g

Wow.

And the douche of the year award goes to...

datadaa.............***KOBONO*********yea........

dmacmart · 12-17-2010, 04:42 PM

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pholy · 12-17-2010, 10:36 PM

Further to taming's point about the renderer, I talked with Liza Daly from threepress.org about their reader (Ibis) and Adobe DRM. Basically, she said if you want to license the Adobe DRM (which you might because everybody else does) you also have to use the Adobe renderer (which you might not want for various reasons). So we have to get Adobe to add dictionary support... and then get the reader sellers to license the new package... probably won't happen soon

zoran · 12-18-2010, 12:54 AM

The thread subject has nothing with some negative opinions on the
device itself and user help on the forum. Personally, I think taming
helped more than one reader owner to debrick after upgrade. Forums
exist for that purpose. I'm glad I had no reason to ask for guidance
so far, but if I would, I'd not hesitate to do.
To be frank, it would be not particularly plesent to posters if someone
takes time to ask about their knowledge on the matter they post. For
instance, just get an insight what one mailing list asks poster to do:
http://www.openbsd.org/mail.html

tpw · 12-18-2010, 05:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pholy

Further to taming's point about the renderer, I talked with Liza Daly from threepress.org about their reader (Ibis) and Adobe DRM. Basically, she said if you want to license the Adobe DRM (which you might because everybody else does) you also have to use the Adobe renderer (which you might not want for various reasons). So we have to get Adobe to add dictionary support... and then get the reader sellers to license the new package... probably won't happen soon

I'm a bit mystified then, because sony *50 devices have a dictionary that works just fine with any epub or pdf, and as far as I know they use Adobe technology.

taming · 12-18-2010, 07:22 AM

There are two separate issues. One has to do with dictionary support for Adobe DRM books--which, as pholy pointed out, would require that they go through the Adobe renderer in a different way then they do now. Kobo already pays, I believe on a per download basis, for every ePUB that runs through the Adobe process of attaching the DRM and then working properly on the readers. It may be (we weren't told much about the financials behind this kind of thing) that the fee to Adobe would change if dictionary support were to be added in.

The other issue is non-DRM books. Kobo has its own DRM for epUB files. This results in kepub books. Kobo has their own renderer for these and they do not pay a fee to Adobe when folks use Kobo's own proprietary format. It's like Amazon not paying Adobe because they have their own drm scheme. Currently, things are set up so that non DRM ePUB books do not go through either renderer in a way that would work with the dictionary. We were given to understand that the non-DRM books could, in the future, be processed so that the dictionary would work with them using the Kobo renderer, but that this is not something they appear to have placed high on their list, for now. These things change over time.

From my perspective, I'd like to see Kobo put most of their effort into making their own proprietary scheme produce really great versions of ePUB files. Some people might still download the ADE ePUB books, or download them only to strip the DRM and use them DRM free, but the whole process of buying a book and just using it would be a more enjoyable experience. I guess I'm OK with some features only being available for kepub books if kepub books are amazingly great.

Hopefully, at some point, DRM will only be a distant memory and these sorts of considerations will not have to come into play.

pholy · 12-18-2010, 10:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tpw

I'm a bit mystified then, because sony *50 devices have a dictionary that works just fine with any epub or pdf, and as far as I know they use Adobe technology.

You're right, I thought of that this morning. The only thing that occurs to me is that Adobe created a newer version of their renderer, either including the dictionary or hooks for one. Or Sony may have done enough work with the SDK to figure it out for themselves. Either way, there has to be extra cost for the ereader vendors, so maybe it won't show up in a basic device.

KoboNo · 12-18-2010, 02:19 PM

Wow. When a user posts something for the rest of us to read, we should expect it to be valid. If someone 'techbabbles' without actually having knowledge of the topic and a trained background, then it should be pointed out as so.

Thank you for the award.

ltr · 12-18-2010, 02:36 PM

Quote:

When a user posts something for the rest of us to read, we should expect it to be valid.

Who will determine the validity of all these posts.

It appears KoboNo has volunteered.

ltr

EricLandes · 12-18-2010, 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JCKobo

A number of you have asked for a detailed list of what is new in 1.8. Here are our official release notes, with my own commentary added in parenthesis:

- Books will auto-update when a newer version is available (so if a publisher releases errata, or the book was bad in the first place, a sync will fix it)

Woohoo! A wonderful feature the Kindle doesn't have.

12-17-2010, 03:24 PM	#33
taming Trying for calm & polite Posts: 4,012 Karma: 9455193 Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mostly in Canada Device: kobo original, WiFI, Touch, Glo, and Aura	On November 30, Kobo staff told those of us in the beta group that to get non-DRM books working with the dictionary they would have to have them use the same renderer that the kepub books use. That is not in the cards for now. That seems like fancy server footwork to me. I find it so seldom necessary to be rude, that I am always amazed when other people use that as their default. Last edited by taming; 12-17-2010 at 03:26 PM. Reason: spelling, spelling, spellin

12-17-2010, 04:42 PM	#37
dmacmart Fanatic Posts: 534 Karma: 696908 Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Ottawa Canada Device: Kobo Mini, Glo, Arc, H2O, iPhone, iPad 2, (husband)Touch	Deleted by poster. Last edited by dmacmart; 12-18-2010 at 12:44 AM. Reason: Deleted

12-18-2010, 07:22 AM	#41
taming Trying for calm & polite Posts: 4,012 Karma: 9455193 Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mostly in Canada Device: kobo original, WiFI, Touch, Glo, and Aura	There are two separate issues. One has to do with dictionary support for Adobe DRM books--which, as pholy pointed out, would require that they go through the Adobe renderer in a different way then they do now. Kobo already pays, I believe on a per download basis, for every ePUB that runs through the Adobe process of attaching the DRM and then working properly on the readers. It may be (we weren't told much about the financials behind this kind of thing) that the fee to Adobe would change if dictionary support were to be added in. The other issue is non-DRM books. Kobo has its own DRM for epUB files. This results in kepub books. Kobo has their own renderer for these and they do not pay a fee to Adobe when folks use Kobo's own proprietary format. It's like Amazon not paying Adobe because they have their own drm scheme. Currently, things are set up so that non DRM ePUB books do not go through either renderer in a way that would work with the dictionary. We were given to understand that the non-DRM books could, in the future, be processed so that the dictionary would work with them using the Kobo renderer, but that this is not something they appear to have placed high on their list, for now. These things change over time. From my perspective, I'd like to see Kobo put most of their effort into making their own proprietary scheme produce really great versions of ePUB files. Some people might still download the ADE ePUB books, or download them only to strip the DRM and use them DRM free, but the whole process of buying a book and just using it would be a more enjoyable experience. I guess I'm OK with some features only being available for kepub books if kepub books are amazingly great. Hopefully, at some point, DRM will only be a distant memory and these sorts of considerations will not have to come into play. Last edited by taming; 12-18-2010 at 08:58 AM. Reason: additional sentence or two

12-17-2010, 02:49 PM	#32
baronrus Addict Posts: 217 Karma: 2975 Join Date: Jun 2010 Device: KO, KW, and KT	Care to elaborate what fancy server footwork you are referring to? Stop posting nonsense that you are not qualified to talk about. Are you actually familiar with the Kobo architecture and comfortable discussing the device's software and database structure?[/QUOTE] Taking pot shots at members of the forum who have done nothing but contribute their time and effort towards posting usefull and helpful advice is definitly offside. Especially considering every post I've read from you lately right down to your screen name is nothing but Bit&ching and complaining about the Kobo. If you dont like it fine, if you rather read on your Sony fine, if you want to drop in and troll fine, but at least be respectfull to members who have tried to help others enjoy their device.

12-17-2010, 10:36 PM	#38
pholy Booklegger Posts: 1,801 Karma: 7999816 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Device: BeBook(1 & 2010), PEZ, PRS-505, Kobo BT, PRS-T1, Playbook, Kobo Touch	Further to taming's point about the renderer, I talked with Liza Daly from threepress.org about their reader (Ibis) and Adobe DRM. Basically, she said if you want to license the Adobe DRM (which you might because everybody else does) you also have to use the Adobe renderer (which you might not want for various reasons). So we have to get Adobe to add dictionary support... and then get the reader sellers to license the new package... probably won't happen soon

12-18-2010, 12:54 AM	#39
zoran himself Posts: 576 Karma: 11226 Join Date: May 2010 Device: Kobo	The thread subject has nothing with some negative opinions on the device itself and user help on the forum. Personally, I think taming helped more than one reader owner to debrick after upgrade. Forums exist for that purpose. I'm glad I had no reason to ask for guidance so far, but if I would, I'd not hesitate to do. To be frank, it would be not particularly plesent to posters if someone takes time to ask about their knowledge on the matter they post. For instance, just get an insight what one mailing list asks poster to do: http://www.openbsd.org/mail.html

12-18-2010, 02:19 PM	#43
KoboNo Connoisseur Posts: 51 Karma: 12098 Join Date: Oct 2010 Device: Kobo	Wow. When a user posts something for the rest of us to read, we should expect it to be valid. If someone 'techbabbles' without actually having knowledge of the topic and a trained background, then it should be pointed out as so. Thank you for the award.

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