Silliness Airport security decisions? - Page 3

desertgrandma · 11-15-2010, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Klim Chugunkin

The question to ask is this: who benefits most from having these new scanners in all airports? The answer is simple: the corporation that produces these scanners.

Does anybody seriously believe for a second it is about security? It is about making lots of easy money. So, don't expect this policy to change anytime soon.

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Originally Posted by dsvick

Yes, as a matter of fact I do. No, probably not 100%, but mostly, yes, it is about security, and giving the public a reasonable belief that they are protected as well as can be when they fly.

Sure, companies made money off of the sale of the devices but those devices arouse because of the need, not the other way around, unless you think that the scanner manufacturers are involved in international terrorism.

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Originally Posted by Klim Chugunkin

Then, perhaps, you also believe that the wars US started in the last 20 years are about security and establishing democracy in those countries? It must have been an accident that US never tried to "establish democracy" in a country that does not have significant oil reserves. But then again, every one of us has a freedom of choosing what to believe.

Now do you see how these conversations turn to politics?

Please return to the "utter silliness" that the title shows.

I'm editing my post to remove the question asked.

kennyc · 11-15-2010, 02:02 PM

Any time we see your avatar we think this is a SERIOUS thread I guess.

wait.....did I vote....

desertblues · 11-15-2010, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by kennyc

Any time we see your avatar we think this is a SERIOUS thread I guess..

Abba?

kennyc · 11-15-2010, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by desertblues

Abba?

Careful, she'll get the STICK!

dsvick · 11-15-2010, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by desertgrandma

Now do you see how these conversations turn to politics?

Please return to the "utter silliness" that the title shows.

I'm editing my post to remove the question asked.

You're right DG - thanks for the course correction - this is why I stayed out of the politics forum as long as I could - I've still only read half of one thread in there so far !!

Back to the utter silliness

I'll take groping and nakedness please!!

desertblues · 11-15-2010, 02:33 PM

...excuse me grandma....no disrespect...

obs20 · 11-15-2010, 03:18 PM

This says it all.

TGS · 11-15-2010, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by obs20

This says it all.

The guy's wallet seems to show up black and opaque in his back pocket - does that mean my leather thong might protect my modesty?

Seanette · 11-15-2010, 03:31 PM

As far as I'm concerned, if I am being forced to either be nude (digitally or physically), in a setting more public than home (or equivalent) or a medical office, or submit to having personal regions of my body groped by strangers, that's assault. I do not CHOOSE to be less than fully clothed in the presence of strangers (exception: medical examination) or to accept intimate physical contact with someone I do not know (again, exception for medical examination).

dsvick · 11-15-2010, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by TGS

The guy's wallet seems to show up black and opaque in his back pocket - does that mean my leather thong might protect my modesty?

I bet the tinfoil one I wear to protect me from aliens would work too.

CyGuy · 11-15-2010, 04:04 PM

Part of the answer is this: Profiling should be used to let some people past the security checkpoints who are obviously not terrorists. There are many people who are obviously not terrorists, you could just take one look at my grandma, and maybe speak with her for 20 seconds to realize that she should be sent right on through the security checkpoint. This is not to say that you can spot a terrorist on sight, but you can spot some people who are not terrorists.

If the processes currently in place would single out my grandma as a potential threat, the processes are broken and should be scrapped.

We simply must use profiling to the fullest extent possible as the first layer, and then use other methods for those who “fail” the profiling test.

Barcey · 11-15-2010, 05:20 PM

I think it's great that 36% of respondents will be stripping naked at the airport. If that were only an accurate representation of the general population we would have some interesting times at airport security.

"Is everyone comfortable flying with me. As you can see I have nothing to conceal."

I just hope they get ZP to step out of that bubble bath. Who knows what she's hiding in those bubbles.

Wasabihound · 11-15-2010, 06:26 PM

I'm going to strip naked. Although anyone who knows me will realize this will represent a clear and present danger to airport security.

I look forward to the chemical residue swab.

ShortNCuddlyAm · 11-15-2010, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by dsvick

I bet the tinfoil one I wear to protect me from aliens would work too.

But it might stop the potatoes from cooking!

Or make them explode quicker...

Seanette · 11-15-2010, 06:31 PM

All the "certain public degradation is just fine if there's even a faint chance of a fraction of a percent of more safety until the bad guys figure out how to outwit the latest round" types should maybe consider this:

If prison inmates were being subjected to strip searches and groping with no probable cause whatsoever, the ACLU and such would be shrieking in hysterical outrage about human rights violations. So why is it OK for law-abiding travelers to be forced to submit to searches that convicted criminals would be able to file big-dollar lawsuits over and win?

View Poll Results: What decision will you be making for AIT scanners?
Bring on the naked photos	21	21.88%
I'll have the groper please	6	6.25%
I'll strip naked and let everyone have a look	16	16.67%
I won't fly	36	37.50%
I have to fly for business but no way are my kids going through this	8	8.33%
I don't fly	9	9.38%
Voters: 96. You may not vote on this poll

11-15-2010, 02:33 PM	#36
desertblues Home for the moment Posts: 5,127 Karma: 27718936 Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: travelling Device: various	...excuse me grandma....no disrespect... Last edited by desertblues; 11-15-2010 at 02:43 PM.

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11-15-2010, 02:02 PM	#32
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11-15-2010, 03:18 PM	#37
obs20 Wizard Posts: 2,793 Karma: 29028512 Join Date: May 2010 Location: Florida Device: Sony PRS 600, Nook ST, Toshiba Excite 10.1 AT 300	This says it all.

11-15-2010, 03:31 PM	#39
Seanette Addict Posts: 254 Karma: 834 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Sacramento, CA Device: Samsung Galaxy s3 (Android 4.4.2), iPad 2, Win10 laptop	As far as I'm concerned, if I am being forced to either be nude (digitally or physically), in a setting more public than home (or equivalent) or a medical office, or submit to having personal regions of my body groped by strangers, that's assault. I do not CHOOSE to be less than fully clothed in the presence of strangers (exception: medical examination) or to accept intimate physical contact with someone I do not know (again, exception for medical examination).

11-15-2010, 04:04 PM	#41
CyGuy Avid Reader Posts: 769 Karma: 7777778 Join Date: Aug 2009 Device: PocketBook 902, Galaxy Tab 2 7.0, ASUS TF700, and Cybook Gen III	Part of the answer is this: Profiling should be used to let some people past the security checkpoints who are obviously not terrorists. There are many people who are obviously not terrorists, you could just take one look at my grandma, and maybe speak with her for 20 seconds to realize that she should be sent right on through the security checkpoint. This is not to say that you can spot a terrorist on sight, but you can spot some people who are not terrorists. If the processes currently in place would single out my grandma as a potential threat, the processes are broken and should be scrapped. We simply must use profiling to the fullest extent possible as the first layer, and then use other methods for those who “fail” the profiling test.

11-15-2010, 05:20 PM	#42
Barcey Wizard Posts: 1,531 Karma: 8059866 Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Canada Device: Kobo H2O / Aura HD / Glo / iPad3	I think it's great that 36% of respondents will be stripping naked at the airport. If that were only an accurate representation of the general population we would have some interesting times at airport security. "Is everyone comfortable flying with me. As you can see I have nothing to conceal." I just hope they get ZP to step out of that bubble bath. Who knows what she's hiding in those bubbles.

11-15-2010, 06:26 PM	#43
Wasabihound Enthusiast Posts: 41 Karma: 158 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Sydney Device: Kindle 3 3G and WIFI, MacBook, iPhone 3G	I'm going to strip naked. Although anyone who knows me will realize this will represent a clear and present danger to airport security. I look forward to the chemical residue swab.

11-15-2010, 06:31 PM	#45
Seanette Addict Posts: 254 Karma: 834 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Sacramento, CA Device: Samsung Galaxy s3 (Android 4.4.2), iPad 2, Win10 laptop	All the "certain public degradation is just fine if there's even a faint chance of a fraction of a percent of more safety until the bad guys figure out how to outwit the latest round" types should maybe consider this: If prison inmates were being subjected to strip searches and groping with no probable cause whatsoever, the ACLU and such would be shrieking in hysterical outrage about human rights violations. So why is it OK for law-abiding travelers to be forced to submit to searches that convicted criminals would be able to file big-dollar lawsuits over and win?

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