I got charged for Whispernet! - Page 3

daffy4u · 06-09-2009, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by sirbruce

As far as I know, Amazon ONLY charges for EMAILING OF BOOKS WIRELESSLY VIA THE EMAIL ADDRESS. This is done whether or not the books are converted, and done based on the size of the initial file sent to Amazon, not the converted file sent to the Kindle. (Which is actually lame since the charge is supposed to be based on WhisperNet usage, but whatever.)

That's what I was saying or trying to. Non-Amazon content sent to the Kindle via Whispernet email will be charged. I was thinking email because that's how I get content on my Kindle when not using USB but I can see I should have made that more clear.

I was not sending a book when I was playing with Calibre, it was an RSS feed test newspaper (which was already in mobi format), using the email to Kindle feature.

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As far as I know, Amazon DOES NOT CHARGE for any other wireless transaction. This includes not only books bought from the Amazon store, but also web browsing, AND BOOKS DOWNLOADED VIA THE WEB. So no, I do NOT believe you get charged if you download a book *directly* via the Feedbooks or Mobileread catalogs. The charge only occurs when the email transaction is involved.

I didn't think about this part so I did not address it. Amazon doesn't mention that aspect in their announcement either. I haven't tried it but I would not be surprised if there was a charge. I'll leave that to Pshrynk or someone else to try.

desertgrandma · 06-09-2009, 08:22 PM

I'd do it but don't have my Kindle........its in Ohio.

All someone has to do is download a book from the mobileread or feedbooks catalog that is on their Kindle, to their Kindle using whispernet.

This will let us know for sure if amazon has changed their policys.

daffy4u · 06-09-2009, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by desertgrandma

I'd do it but don't have my Kindle........its in Ohio.

All someone has to do is download a book from the mobileread or feedbooks catalog that is on their Kindle, to their Kindle using whispernet.

This will let us know for sure if amazon has changed their policys.

How long is your Kindle going to be in Ohio?

desertgrandma · 06-09-2009, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by daffy4u

How long is your Kindle going to be in Ohio?

'sniff. I don't know!!! I shipped it to my DIL so that she could play with it.

daffy4u · 06-09-2009, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by desertgrandma

'sniff. I don't know!!! I shipped it to my DIL so that she could play with it.

Do I need to loan you my K1?

desertgrandma · 06-09-2009, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by daffy4u

Do I need to loan you my K1?

Nah, but thanks for the offer.........I'm going to be so busy with my new ASUS 1000HE
learning the ins and outs, putting Calibre and all the books on it......and generally playing with it I"ll just wait.

Don't think it will be too long. I got the distinct impression she wasn't really impressed with my book tastes.

I did tell her if she wanted, she could download "a couple" of books with the whispernet to see how easily that part worked.

Keeping a close eye on my kindle page........

emellaich · 06-09-2009, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by daffy4u

Correct. I don't have a problem with the charge but I do have a problem with multiple small hits to my credit card. I was charged 15 cents immediately instead of the old policy of accumulating $3 (which never happened) in charges before hitting the card.

AFAIK, the credit card companies all charge a fee per transaction (ie, 30 cents) plus a small percentage of the sales price. Amazon may be big enough to force a special deal from the credit card companies, but unless they have such a deal, then these micropayments are costing them more money than they collect. If so, I assume that this is more about shaping consumer behavior than it is about making money.

RickyMaveety · 06-09-2009, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by desertgrandma

'sniff. I don't know!!! I shipped it to my DIL so that she could play with it.

Well, if you do need a loaner, I've got all three of my K1s at home right now, so I could bubble wrap one and send it out to you.

sirbruce · 06-09-2009, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by daffy4u

Amazon doesn't mention that aspect in their announcement either. I haven't tried it but I would not be surprised if there was a charge. I'll leave that to Pshrynk or someone else to try.

I would be surprised because it's impossible to tell if data streaming in from the web browser is "web stuff" (free) or "omg a book" (let's charge 'em). Theoretically you could charge for any file download, but again there's no indication of that.

desertgrandma · 06-09-2009, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by RickyMaveety

Well, if you do need a loaner, I've got all three of my K1s at home right now, so I could bubble wrap one and send it out to you.

You and Daffy are unbelievably generous, and I thank you.

I'll be fine..........however, stand by for questions when I get the netbook?

HarryT · 06-10-2009, 05:34 AM

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Originally Posted by emellaich

AFAIK, the credit card companies all charge a fee per transaction (ie, 30 cents) plus a small percentage of the sales price.

That's how it works for a small business, but if you're a bigger customer it's a monthly flat fee for the merchant account, and then a straight percentage charge per transaction. ie no "per transaction" fee. Hence, small charges do work.

Sydney's Mom · 06-10-2009, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by desertgrandma

Nah, but thanks for the offer.........I'm going to be so busy with my new ASUS 1000HE
learning the ins and outs, putting Calibre and all the books on it......and generally playing with it I"ll just wait.

Desertgrandma, did you get a portable cd/dvd drive? We bought a Wind, and some of the software wasn't loaded correctly. My husband, the computer executive was going to run out to Micro Center and buy one. I suggested he put it on a thumb drive and load it that way. Worked like a charm.

desertgrandma · 06-10-2009, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Sydney's Mom

Desertgrandma, did you get a portable cd/dvd drive? We bought a Wind, and some of the software wasn't loaded correctly. My husband, the computer executive was going to run out to Micro Center and buy one. I suggested he put it on a thumb drive and load it that way. Worked like a charm.

Thanks for the hint! Even if you aren't a "computer executive".........

numindast · 06-10-2009, 01:53 PM

Getting back on track -- I think some people are perhaps missing a small point. Amazon never said they'd provide free Whispernet. For a long time, they have provided free Whispernet delivery of purchased books and free Whispernet delivery of blogs and newspapers just as they advertise with said content. And I swear I saw somewhere that browsing their store and making purchases via Whispernet is also free. As has also been noted in this thread, Amazon has always said they would charge a small fee for wireless delivery of converted documents, though they didn't execute on this until recently.

I tried the wireless document conversion once, just to try it. (It was a PDF and it came out horrible on my K2.) From henceforth, though, it'll either be sent to my @free.kindle.com address, or will land on my KDX. (can't wait...)

As for web browsing, it is a stated experimental feature, which means it can and will change, right?

pshrynk · 06-10-2009, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by numindast

Getting back on track -- I think some people are perhaps missing a small point. Amazon never said they'd provide free Whispernet. For a long time, they have provided free Whispernet delivery of purchased books and free Whispernet delivery of blogs and newspapers just as they advertise with said content. And I swear I saw somewhere that browsing their store and making purchases via Whispernet is also free. As has also been noted in this thread, Amazon has always said they would charge a small fee for wireless delivery of converted documents, though they didn't execute on this until recently.

I tried the wireless document conversion once, just to try it. (It was a PDF and it came out horrible on my K2.) From henceforth, though, it'll either be sent to my @free.kindle.com address, or will land on my KDX. (can't wait...)

As for web browsing, it is a stated experimental feature, which means it can and will change, right?

That's the point I'm making. They were not charging forever, even though thye said they would and are now charging (After saying they were going to).

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06-09-2009, 08:22 PM	#32
desertgrandma Enjoying the show.... Posts: 14,270 Karma: 10462843 Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Arizona Device: A K1, Kindle Paperwhite, an Ipod, IPad2, Iphone, an Ipad Mini & macAir	I'd do it but don't have my Kindle........its in Ohio. All someone has to do is download a book from the mobileread or feedbooks catalog that is on their Kindle, to their Kindle using whispernet. This will let us know for sure if amazon has changed their policys.

06-10-2009, 01:53 PM	#44
numindast Enthusiast Posts: 34 Karma: 296 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Chicago Device: K2, DX (had PRS500, 505, 700)	Getting back on track -- I think some people are perhaps missing a small point. Amazon never said they'd provide free Whispernet. For a long time, they have provided free Whispernet delivery of purchased books and free Whispernet delivery of blogs and newspapers just as they advertise with said content. And I swear I saw somewhere that browsing their store and making purchases via Whispernet is also free. As has also been noted in this thread, Amazon has always said they would charge a small fee for wireless delivery of converted documents, though they didn't execute on this until recently. I tried the wireless document conversion once, just to try it. (It was a PDF and it came out horrible on my K2.) From henceforth, though, it'll either be sent to my @free.kindle.com address, or will land on my KDX. (can't wait...) As for web browsing, it is a stated experimental feature, which means it can and will change, right?

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