The Reading Vent & Rant Thread

[DNSB]

Originally Posted by rkomar

I wasn't trying to be insulting when I used "just" and "only", but I'm not sure that there was any way for me to describe books that don't fit into the literary genre without it being perceived as a slight by some.

For me, the problem is that "literary genre" seems to be totally subjective, a "you'll know it when you read it" genre. For most genres, you can point at elements of the book to say this fits in science fiction, horror, mystery, whatever genre though many books will have elements from more than one genre—science fiction/mystery for instance.

OTOH, I keep Sturgeon's Revelation in mind.

[DiapDealer]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

All fiction books are stories. That's the way it i like it or not.

You said "just" stories before. That's what I objected to. Of course all fiction books are stories. No one rational would argue with that. I just feel bad for you that you've apparently never read a work of fiction that became more than the sum of its plot and characters for you. That the way it was written, or the particular words that were used to convey the plot didn't move you any more than any other words used to present a similar plot did. That one author's mastery of language/humor/dialog doesn't make their works stand out from the others writing the stories you consume.

[Sirtel]

Originally Posted by DiapDealer

You said "just" stories before. That's what I objected to. Of course all fiction books are stories. No one rational would argue with that. I just feel bad for you that you've apparently never read a work of fiction that became more than the sum of its plot and characters for you. That the way it was written, or the particular words that were used to convey the plot didn't move you any more than any other words used to present a similar plot did. That one author's mastery of language/humor/dialog doesn't make their works stand out from the others writing the stories you consume.

Personally I've read many such works. But very few of them would be considered literary fiction or win any literary awards. Because they're not the right genre. And, well, because I have low taste.

[DiapDealer]

Originally Posted by Sirtel

Personally I've read many such works. But very few of them would be considered literary fiction or win any literary awards. Because they're not the right genre. And, well, because I have low taste.

You misunderstand me. I'm not talking about high or low tastes. Or awards. Literature is anything that left a mark on me that stays long after I've finished it. Literature is that which was most decidedly NOT just a story to me. Regardless of what the "literary critics" (or anyone else, for that matter) might think of it.

[DNSB]

Originally Posted by DiapDealer

You misunderstand me. I'm not talking about high or low tastes. Or awards. Literature is anything that left a mark on me that stays long after I've finished it. Literature is that which was most decidedly NOT just a story to me. Regardless of what the "literary critics" (or anyone else, for that matter) might think of it.

As I said, subjective. And that makes it almost impossible to define. Everyone will have their own definition that we will defend to the metaphorical death.

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by DiapDealer

You said "just" stories before. That's what I objected to. Of course all fiction books are stories. No one rational would argue with that. I just feel bad for you that you've apparently never read a work of fiction that became more than the sum of its plot and characters for you. That the way it was written, or the particular words that were used to convey the plot didn't move you any more than any other words used to present a similar plot did. That one author's mastery of language/humor/dialog doesn't make their works stand out from the others writing the stories you consume.

If they aren't just stories, what are they?

[DiapDealer]

Originally Posted by DNSB

As I said, subjective. And that makes it almost impossible to define. Everyone will have their own definition that we will defend to the metaphorical death.

Yes. And? Much like "good" and "bad", there need be no consensus for such terms to still be valid. My beef is not with those who find little or no value in using it in a subject search. My beef is with those who seem to take deep offense any time someone describe a books as being "literary." As if it's being used as some sort of slap to the face.

[DiapDealer]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

If they aren't just stories, what are they?

Well they're clearly beyond you, aren't they Jon? I gave examples. If you want to ignore them, fine. But don't pretend I didn't clearly mention several things that I think makes some books more than just stories.