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Old 10-02-2010, 08:27 AM   #391
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I rarely use wikipedia... not a reliable source. I'm not going to read the page. Darwin never claimed we are descended from apes, other people have made the claim based on rumors of what is in the book he wrote.
All sources have potential bias. That's in fact exactly what this thread is about.
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The only people/groups that I've every heard make the "descent from apes" claim are those that are against evolution or are simply ignorant. Those that know what they are talking about tend to use the "common ancestor" term.
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All sources have potential bias. That's in fact exactly what this thread is about.
I understand that, but I know wikipedia is waaaay down the list of reliability.

I know someone who developed a computer back in the 1960s. He looked at a wikipedia article on that computer and found errors. He created an account, fixed the erros, pointing out he was on the design team for that computer. And that from the article, the writer of the original article hadn't been there, and had incorrect information.

His work was deleted, and the orignal error fileld article, was placed back. he emailed and told them, he was on the design team. And that obviously whomever wrote the orignial article, knew nothing about the computer.

He tried two more times, and was banned.

So I feel I have excellent reasons for not trusting wikipedia as a source.
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Old 10-02-2010, 08:35 AM   #394
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The only people/groups that I've every heard make the "descent from apes" claim are those that are against evolution or are simply ignorant. Those that know what they are talking about tend to use the "common ancestor" term.
Yup, all primates have a common ancestor around 3-4 million years ago.
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Old 10-02-2010, 08:42 AM   #395
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I understand that, but I know wikipedia is waaaay down the list of reliability.

I know someone who developed a computer back in the 1960s. He looked at a wikipedia article on that computer and found errors. He created an account, fixed the erros, pointing out he was on the design team for that computer. And that from the article, the writer of the original article hadn't been there, and had incorrect information.

His work was deleted, and the orignal error fileld article, was placed back. he emailed and told them, he was on the design team. And that obviously whomever wrote the orignial article, knew nothing about the computer.

He tried two more times, and was banned.

So I feel I have excellent reasons for not trusting wikipedia as a source.
Certainly, but all I'm saying is that as an educated, knowledgeable person seeking truth you must evaluate all sources to make an informed decision.

This concept is at the crux of this discussion and by saying/acting/doing what you say above you are spitting in the face of that concept.
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Old 10-02-2010, 08:54 AM   #396
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I rarely use wikipedia... not a reliable source. I'm not going to read the page. Darwin never claimed we are descended from apes, other people have made the claim based on rumors of what is in the book he wrote.
Humans are classified under the heading of Hominoidea, which includes the Great Apes (this group includes humans) and gibbons. This family of primates had a shared ancestor with modern monkeys, but did not descend from monkeys.

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Certainly, but all I'm saying is that as an educated, knowledgeable person seeking truth you must evaluate all sources to make an informed decision.

This concept is at the crux of this discussion and by saying/acting/doing what you say above you are spitting in the face of that concept.
No, I'm saying wikipedia has proven it is unrealiable.
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Humans are classified under the heading of Hominoidea, which includes the Great Apes (this group includes humans, in the view of many) and gibbons. This family of primates had a shared ancestor with modern monkeys, but did not descend from monkeys.
Yes, that is what I said.
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(CBS/AP) Texas' State Board of Education - following a long history of throwing itself into "culture war" issues - is set to vote Friday on a resolution calling on textbook publishers to limit what they print about Islam in world history books.

The resolution cites world history books no longer used in Texas schools that it says devoted more lines of text to Islamic beliefs and practices than Christian beliefs and practices.

"Diverse reviewers have repeatedly documented gross pro-Islamic, anti-Christian distortions in social studies texts," reads a draft of the resolution, which would not be binding on future boards that will choose the state's next generation of social studies texts. .....

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more lines for islam than christianity? that is quite odd. and i'm assuming those lines are of a neutral tone. i agree with this decision.
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No, I'm saying wikipedia has proven it is unrealiable.
So has everything else. That's my point. You are painting all of wikipedia as false which simply isn't true.
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more lines for islam than christianity? that is quite odd. and i'm assuming those lines are of a neutral tone. i agree with this decision.
Why would you agree with banning/changing the textbooks particularly if the "lines" are neurtral in tone(whatever that means)? You think there should be some kind or quota system wrt history?
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So has everything else. That's my point. You are painting all of wikipedia as false which simply isn't true.
I said it was an unrealiable source. I didn't say every single page there is bogus.

Its like I wouldn't go to some of my fundamentalist relatives to find out about evolution.

Say if I wanted to look up star formation, Wikipedia might have good info. But I wouldn't go there for anything that might be a political hot potato.

I have read of a number of universities that refuse to accept it as a resource for a term paper. So, I'm not the only one who sees it as unreliable.
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Why would you agree with banning/changing the textbooks particularly if the "lines" are neurtral in tone(whatever that means)? You think there should be some kind or quota system wrt history?
Evidently the twits at the Texas board think so.

Myself, I can see a reason for more text for unfamiliar material than for familar material.
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You're missing the point joebill. You are dismissing out of hand without evaluating. This is as bad as eliminating all references to Islam from textbooks.
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Evidently the twits at the Texas board think so.

Myself, I can see a reason for more text for unfamiliar material than for familar material.
Yes. I agree.
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