Kobo Aura One is REAL! - Page 27

jackie_w · 08-25-2016, 07:34 AM

The GloHD and the H2O both have paperclip reset holes.

Canuck_in_Japan · 08-25-2016, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by chrisridd

Do devices still have reset holes for paperclips? My old Sony reader did and my Aura does, but that's it. All our iOS devices have a sort of Vulcan nerve pinch that forces a reboot without needing a reset hole.

That's a good point. Why do we have reset holes anyways? Holding down the power button has acted as a reset for all of my phones for as long as I can remember. What makes eReaders any different?

Luffy · 08-26-2016, 03:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Canuck_in_Japan

That's a good point. Why do we have reset holes anyways? Holding down the power button has acted as a reset for all of my phones for as long as I can remember. What makes eReaders any different?

For my Kobo Glo, sometimes when the software is frozen on the e-reader, the power button is not able to reset. So the paper clip hole becomes useful. Once I reset via paper clip when I didn't need to, and I lost all my customized fonts, margins etc.. The hole reset is more hardcore.

anacreon · 08-26-2016, 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Luffy

For my Kobo Glo, sometimes when the software is frozen on the e-reader, the power button is not able to reset. So the paper clip hole becomes useful. Once I reset via paper clip when I didn't need to, and I lost all my customized fonts, margins etc.. The hole reset is more hardcore.

I dont remember losing anything when I reset except the last position of the book I was reading when my device froze.

I suppose the problem when yours did must have been serious.

Luffy · 08-26-2016, 06:13 AM

You might be right. It happened just once. For now, my Kobo is well behaved, thanks to the Kobo Forum troubleshooters!

Alan_S · 08-26-2016, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Blossom

On the Glo HD holding the power button down restarts the device. I'm sure it's the same way on the Aura One.

I just recently had problem with one book that crashed CoolReader in that way that power button didn't reset device. I needed to use reset.

So, things may still need dedicated reset "button", i.e. small hole.

TheHazardsDuke · 08-27-2016, 01:33 AM

I've had to use dedicated reset buttons on virtually every consumer electronic device I've ever owned. I think in general all modern consumer goods are more less unreliable.

HarryT · 08-27-2016, 03:41 AM

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Originally Posted by TheHazardsDuke

I've had to use dedicated reset buttons on virtually every consumer electronic device I've ever owned. I think in general all modern consumer goods are more less unreliable.

Kindles don't have a reset hole - you just hold the power button in for about 20s to reboot. I've not heard of anyone having problems with that, so it certainly doesn't seem that a reset hole is mandatory.

davidfor · 08-27-2016, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Alan_S

I just recently had problem with one book that crashed CoolReader in that way that power button didn't reset device. I needed to use reset.

So, things may still need dedicated reset "button", i.e. small hole.

It's going to sound like a strange question, but how do you know the power button didn't work? If it does, it turns the device off and the screen doesn't change. And if it didn't work, you would probably see the same thing. And when it didn't work how long did you hold the power button down? 10 seconds is probably enough, but I usually suggest 20 seconds.

Cinisajoy · 08-27-2016, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

Kindles don't have a reset hole - you just hold the power button in for about 20s to reboot. I've not heard of anyone having problems with that, so it certainly doesn't seem that a reset hole is mandatory.

On the older kindles Amazon actually suggests 40 seconds.
And always unplug first.

Ksquared · 08-27-2016, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by TheHazardsDuke

I've had to use dedicated reset buttons on virtually every consumer electronic device I've ever owned. I think in general all modern consumer goods are more less unreliable.

I kept a paperclip taped to the the back of my first PalmPilot, circa 1998, for the frequent freeze-up. My current Aura 6" has never frozen in over a year of use. I hope the Aura One is as stable!

Alan_S · 08-27-2016, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by davidfor

It's going to sound like a strange question, but how do you know the power button didn't work? If it does, it turns the device off and the screen doesn't change. And if it didn't work, you would probably see the same thing. And when it didn't work how long did you hold the power button down? 10 seconds is probably enough, but I usually suggest 20 seconds.

Well, I know that.

I even went for about a minute of holding power button. Didn't helped, for some reason CoolReader crashed in such way that only reset was able to reset device.

And yes, I tried with two consecutive power button presses, as I saw that screen stays the same when device is crashed (KSM changes screen when reader is shut down, i.e. starts script for power off that causes different screen when reader is powered off).

On koreader same book crashed it, but with power button I was able to "escape" situation.

Koreader and CoolReader use same epub rendering engine AFAIK, but there are obviously some differences.

I'm sure if I didn't had reset "button" I would need to wait battery to run out, as I'm not into opening my device to disconnect battery. As this book can be opened on my PC without problem (I use Sumatra PDF for epubs), I never suspected problems with it before I experienced them.

So, not having dedicated reset could be very merry experience on any device.

And yes, I didn't tested that book on nickel, I don't use it at all. It may work on it without problem.

DNSB · 08-27-2016, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

Kindles don't have a reset hole - you just hold the power button in for about 20s to reboot. I've not heard of anyone having problems with that, so it certainly doesn't seem that a reset hole is mandatory.

One of my co-workers had an issue with her Kindle (3rd gen keyboard if I remember correctly) where it froze and nothing we tried worked. Since it showed up as connected to a wireless access point, we just left it sitting in a desk for a week which (2 days after the wifi connection dropped). After charging for a couple of hours, it was again a happy camper.

That's the only occasion I've really missed a physical reset switch on an ereader.

rkomar · 08-28-2016, 01:47 AM

Most of these devices are running linux, with ordinary filesystems underneath. Once in a while, the filesystem gets an error, or the system goes long enough that it thinks it needs to check things out, and then nothing happens on the device until the filesystem checks are done. Of course, people worry at this unexpected behaviour, but it mostly works itself out given time. Resetting the device does not "fix" these kinds of problems, it just defers the fixing until the next reboot, when it starts all over again. So, I agree with DNSB; if you're device isn't responding after some resets, just leave it be while powered up and plugged into the charger. There's some chance it will fix itself without interference.

Alan_S · 08-28-2016, 05:42 PM

This may be true for same cases, but in my actual case it isn't true.

I tested this easily, tried to open same book twice and I'm 100% sure that problem is caused by book, that only reset (or waiting for battery to run out) solved it.

Also, you misread what DNSB wrote. Read again. Kindle needed battery emptied, this reset device. After that battery needed to be charged again as it was completely empty. It wasn't just question of waiting long enough.

08-26-2016, 06:13 AM	#395
Luffy Wizard Posts: 4,464 Karma: 429063498 Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Mauritius Device: Kindle Paperwhite 4	You might be right. It happened just once. For now, my Kobo is well behaved, thanks to the Kobo Forum troubleshooters! Last edited by Luffy; 08-26-2016 at 06:15 AM.

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08-28-2016, 01:47 AM	#404
rkomar Wizard Posts: 3,055 Karma: 18821071 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Sudbury, ON, Canada Device: PRS-505, PB 902, PRS-T1, PB 623, PB 840, PB 633	Most of these devices are running linux, with ordinary filesystems underneath. Once in a while, the filesystem gets an error, or the system goes long enough that it thinks it needs to check things out, and then nothing happens on the device until the filesystem checks are done. Of course, people worry at this unexpected behaviour, but it mostly works itself out given time. Resetting the device does not "fix" these kinds of problems, it just defers the fixing until the next reboot, when it starts all over again. So, I agree with DNSB; if you're device isn't responding after some resets, just leave it be while powered up and plugged into the charger. There's some chance it will fix itself without interference.

08-28-2016, 05:42 PM	#405
Alan_S Evangelist Posts: 446 Karma: 1084584 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sisak, Croatia Device: Kobo Aura H2O, Kobo Aura ONE	This may be true for same cases, but in my actual case it isn't true. I tested this easily, tried to open same book twice and I'm 100% sure that problem is caused by book, that only reset (or waiting for battery to run out) solved it. Also, you misread what DNSB wrote. Read again. Kindle needed battery emptied, this reset device. After that battery needed to be charged again as it was completely empty. It wasn't just question of waiting long enough.

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