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Old 06-20-2014, 11:42 PM   #376
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Amazon may be pro-eBook-buyer, but it is sure isn't pro eBook-borrower.
You can't really say that unless you know why they couldn't be found through the library. I don't know the answer myself. I do know they make print versions available to libraries, but don't know if they make digital versions available or not, and if not why. Is it a problem with Amazon or OverDrive or? Has there been statements somewhere one way or the other?
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Old 06-21-2014, 06:26 AM   #377
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That makes no sense. Whether an ebook is available for lending either by libraries or through Amazon and on what terms is solely up to the publishers. Amazon has no say in the matter.
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Old 06-21-2014, 06:43 AM   #378
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That makes no sense. Whether an ebook is available for lending either by libraries or through Amazon and on what terms is solely up to the publishers. Amazon has no say in the matter.
Since when has "sense" been necessary for the Amazon-bashers?
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Old 06-21-2014, 07:24 AM   #379
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Sense does seem to be rather lacking when people choose sides on the internet debates. For some reason, some people wouldn't acknowledge that the Sun rises in the East and sets in the West if it meant acknowledging that the other side had a point. Ever noticed how some will simply shift to a different point to attack without ever acknowledging anything? IMPO, these discussions would be a whole lot less acrimonious if posters would simple force themselves to say "good point" or "You may have a point" rather than be in attack dog mode all the time.
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Old 06-21-2014, 08:09 AM   #380
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Since when has "sense" been necessary for the Amazon-bashers?
Harry, did you realize that, despite what was written in #377, Amazon is, among other things, a conventional publisher? This is separate from Kindle Direct Publishing AKA self-publishing.

One thing Amazon does, as a publisher, is to purchase classic mystery/thriller rights. Three examples I know of are Ian Fleming, Ed McBain, and Gladys Mitchell. In the latter two cases, they only bought rights to the older works -- just the ones a new reader of that author would be liable to start with. Anyone with time on their hands may want to scroll down this list of Amazon-published authors to find famous names I have missed:

https://www.apub.com/authors

When Amazon buys rights, they do not buy them in every country. Random House owns the Ian Fleming's James Bond eBook rights for the UK, so you find them in some British libraries but none of ours.

As to how I know what was written in the last paragraph, I know it because I have a bunch of library cards, mostly for nearby Overdrive collections, but also for two competitors I don't think you have in the UK, those being 3M and Axis360. Since I have read about one library eBook a week for the past couple years, I am often doing searches for specific author/titles, and have found patterns.

A few years ago, one pattern was that you would never find a Simon & Schuster book. That changed. Now I usually do. And now the overwhelming pattern I see is that if Amazon publishes it, I don't find it. If the big five publish it, including Hachette, I mostly do. Nothing is really proved in discussions like this, but I wouldn't ignore evidence either.

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. . . these discussions would be a whole lot less acrimonious if posters would simple force themselves to say "good point" or "You may have a point" rather than be in attack dog mode all the time.
Agree, despite not having followed the advice in this post
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Old 06-21-2014, 08:13 AM   #381
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That makes no sense. Whether an ebook is available for lending either by libraries or through Amazon and on what terms is solely up to the publishers. Amazon has no say in the matter.

I believe the point was that Amazon's publishing arm hasn't set up a deal with Overdrive to make the books they publish available to the libraries.
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Old 06-21-2014, 08:32 AM   #382
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I thought that this would come to a head when JK Rowling's book actually got released but it seems that they've come to an agreement so that Amazon will sell it. This could drag on a while yet and it's not going to sit well with the other impacted Hachette authors.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-0...d-dispute.html
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Old 06-21-2014, 08:53 AM   #383
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I thought that this would come to a head when JK Rowling's book actually got released but it seems that they've come to an agreement so that Amazon will sell it. This could drag on a while yet and it's not going to sit well with the other impacted Hachette authors.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-0...d-dispute.html
As I understand it, there was never any issue with Amazon actually selling Hachette books; they simply removed the option to pre-order them.
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Old 06-21-2014, 10:08 AM   #384
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I thought that this would come to a head when JK Rowling's book actually got released but it seems that they've come to an agreement so that Amazon will sell it. This could drag on a while yet and it's not going to sit well with the other impacted Hachette authors.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-0...d-dispute.html
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As I understand it, there was never any issue with Amazon actually selling Hachette books; they simply removed the option to pre-order them.
Exactly, Harry.
Barcey, do you know of a case where Amazon is actually refusing to sell any books because they are published by Hachette?

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Old 06-21-2014, 11:01 AM   #385
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Exactly, Harry.
Barcey, do you know of a case where Amazon is actually refusing to sell any books because they are published by Hachette?

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Nope but the Bloomberg link indicates they're showing out of stock.

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Hachette hasn’t reached a deal with Amazon, and about 5,000 of the publisher’s titles continue to show out-of-stock messages, Cottrell said.
I was purely speculating that Hachette was using the JK Rowlings book as their primary bargaining chip and they'd timed the release to be after the existing Amazon contract expired. It would be the logical thing for Hachette to do since it's probably their biggest book of the year and they control the release date. Also in the investor briefing they were confident this would be resolved in a couple weeks and that seemed to align with JK's book release.
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Exactly, Harry.
Barcey, do you know of a case where Amazon is actually refusing to sell any books because they are published by Hachette?

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Amazon isn't refusing to sell Hachette books, they're refusing to stock them. You can order the book but you have to wait for Amazon to order it from Hachette, receive the book and then ship it to you.
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Old 06-21-2014, 12:44 PM   #387
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No horse in this race for me, but my local Kosher supermarket refuses to stock the popular brand of Greek yogurt I like ....
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Old 06-21-2014, 01:04 PM   #388
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No horse in this race for me, but my local Kosher supermarket refuses to stock the popular brand of Greek yogurt I like ....
How dare they?
Don't they understand they exist solely for the benefit of the Yogurt vendor?
Call up the NYT!
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I fear this will have a detrimental effect on the overall quality of yogurt.
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Amazon isn't refusing to sell Hachette books, they're refusing to stock them. You can order the book but you have to wait for Amazon to order it from Hachette, receive the book and then ship it to you.
Actually they did not sell the ebook but seemed to change there mind after complaints.
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