Do you pirate books and why? - Page 26

SteveEisenberg · 02-12-2012, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

Because some people - in fact, the overwhelming majority of people - are honest, and don't approve of breaking the law.

Maybe if I agreed with this, I'd be a happier person.

auriel · 02-12-2012, 08:19 PM

I do both. I pirate books, but 9 out of 10 times end up buying physical copies of books I've downloaded anyway.

ProfCrash · 02-12-2012, 08:21 PM

I agree, someone who always wants something free and now is not going to be persuaded to try another option. Why bother when they can get what they want without paying? There is little point to trying to find a system that is going to work for them.

Most people understand that there is a difference between the ease and convenience of pirating and why they should do the right thing and buy what they want to read or watch. We should be working on a system that makes life easier for the rest of us.

Something without DRM, easily converted, and shared makes sense to me. I can understand why the Publishers are not thrilled with the idea that I can share my e-book with anyone I want without restrictions. I could buy the book and share with my entire family and the author only gets paid for one book.

That is why I like the way the lending is done on the Kindle. I can send the e-book to my nephew and he can read it. He has two weeks and while he has it, I cannot read it. It mimics owning the paper book. I think that is fine. I think that it is fine that libraries can only check out one copy of an e-book that they have bought at a time. If the library wants to lend to five people at once, they have to have five licenses. Again, it mimics a paper book and I think that is fair.

The bigger problem, for me, is that Publishers see e-books as something totally different then a paper book and are freaking out. This is only increasing pirating and increasing people doing things like stripping DRM and then sharing a e-book with as many people as they want at one time. If the Publishers responded in a more rational manner I think they would find that most folks are comfortable with restrictions that mimic a restriction on a paper book.

Katsunami · 02-12-2012, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ProfCrash

I can understand why the Publishers are not thrilled with the idea that I can share my e-book with anyone I want without restrictions. I could buy the book and share with my entire family and the author only gets paid for one book.

I can't, because it is no different than it was with paper books.

If you'd say that the author or publisher may be afraid that their books end up on the internet... then I'd agree. But, in the digital age, that will happen anyway, so why try to prevent it?

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That is why I like the way the lending is done on the Kindle. I can send the e-book to my nephew and he can read it. He has two weeks and while he has it, I cannot read it. It mimics owning the paper book. I think that is fine.

Yes, but this should be a cross-manufacturer, cross-format and cross-device facility, or it'll never take off. To achieve that, publishers will need to create a standard.

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The bigger problem, for me, is that Publishers see e-books as something totally different then a paper book and are freaking out.

Strange thing is, the music industry freaked out when the casette was invented, and they re-freaked out at the invention of the writable CD and the internet in combination with the MP3-format. The software industries also started to freak out when the "disk with bad sectors" became copyable, the writable CD was invented, and the internet became a common good.

Both industries are (slowly) backing away from restrictions and DRM. The publishing industry could have learned from them.

ProfCrash · 02-12-2012, 09:05 PM

Yup. I astill am baffelled as to why the publishing industry has not learned from the music and entertainment industry. It makes no sense. There are road maps on how to handle this but the Publishers seem to be doing their damndest to ignore them.

I have no problem with a standard format and across device sharing. I understand that a lot of people think that that should be EPub based because there is more that you can do with EPub then mobi. The problem is Amazon is the big dog and to convince them to change is going to take an act of god. BN, Sony, Kobo are concerned about Amazon and would not switch if they could. And I don't think that they could switch. I get the impression that Amazon controls Mobi and is not willing to play nice with the other kids. I could be wrong about that.

Katsunami · 02-12-2012, 09:09 PM

Amazon not only controls Mobi, they *own* it since 2005, and therefore the Kindle is the only current reader that does not support EPUB.

sbroome · 02-12-2012, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by auriel

I do both. I pirate books, but 9 out of 10 times end up buying physical copies of books I've downloaded anyway.

Again, if more people did things at this rate I'd say great.

Randeep · 02-12-2012, 11:27 PM

I download copies of eBooks when I own the physical product. These are pirated (some are in the public domain) and I have no intention of buying the eBook in the future. I feel if I purchased the physical copy its akin to scanning the book in and generating my own epub file.

I know not everyone here is going to agree with this and that's cool. But I just don't believe I am doing wrong here. Now... if I loan the physical book to a friend while reading the digital copy on my reader I guess that's a different story. But most of my friends don't read and those that do aren't on analog either so this hasn't come up yet!

Beryll Snyder · 02-13-2012, 02:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HarryT

Because some people - in fact, the overwhelming majority of people - are honest, and don't approve of breaking the law.

What a statement - difficult to back up, I supppose.
So the majority basically is decent folks - it's just the politicians, bankers and so on ...

pdurrant · 02-13-2012, 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by ProfCrash

That is why I like the way the lending is done on the Kindle. I can send the e-book to my nephew and he can read it. He has two weeks and while he has it, I cannot read it.

But note that you can't then lend the ebook to your niece. Kindle lending is once only per ebook.

ProfCrash · 02-13-2012, 07:49 AM

Actually, they share an e-reader so they both could read it in that two week period. But I am being silly.

I do wish you could loan the book more then one time.

Joykins · 02-13-2012, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by pdurrant

But note that you can't then lend the ebook to your niece. Kindle lending is once only per ebook.

On the other hand, you can lend to total strangers or people halfway across the country without the inconvenience of going to the post office. There are always pros and cons.

AlexGrama · 02-13-2012, 05:15 PM

Oh men, if we had been in a hippy-gandhi-peace-world, everything would have been free. No more problems.

sbroome · 02-13-2012, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Joykins

On the other hand, you can lend to total strangers or people halfway across the country without the inconvenience of going to the post office. There are always pros and cons.

What's fascinating here is the things people actively complain about. "Awwww I have a handheld tablet that can be charged and let me read for days at a time while holding hundreds or thousands of books, and it lets me lend the ebook through the internet, but only to ONE PERSON." Wonder what our past selves would have said about all our whining.

Giggleton · 02-14-2012, 02:33 AM

What do we use the network for, or rather what are you using the network for at this moment? Besides reading this post of course, lol. Or perhaps you are reading the post below this one? Either way,

The medium of transmission doesn't really matter, at certain points we thought it did but we know now that it doesn't.

What I mean is, we must be entertained, so we log on...

We feel that for the network to exist it must first be created, but once created it will be filled. That is evident.

What I really mean is yes, everyone is contributing to the culture, everyone should be compensated. Methods of compensation must be built into internet 2.0

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02-12-2012, 08:19 PM	#377
auriel Enthusiast Posts: 32 Karma: 10 Join Date: May 2010 Location: Saskatoon, SK (Canada) Device: Black Original Kobo; iPad 2; Black Kobo Touch	I do both. I pirate books, but 9 out of 10 times end up buying physical copies of books I've downloaded anyway.

02-12-2012, 08:21 PM	#378
ProfCrash Tea Enthusiast Posts: 8,554 Karma: 75384937 Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Somewhere in the USA Device: Kindle1, Kindle DX Graphite, K3 3G, IPad 3, PW2	I agree, someone who always wants something free and now is not going to be persuaded to try another option. Why bother when they can get what they want without paying? There is little point to trying to find a system that is going to work for them. Most people understand that there is a difference between the ease and convenience of pirating and why they should do the right thing and buy what they want to read or watch. We should be working on a system that makes life easier for the rest of us. Something without DRM, easily converted, and shared makes sense to me. I can understand why the Publishers are not thrilled with the idea that I can share my e-book with anyone I want without restrictions. I could buy the book and share with my entire family and the author only gets paid for one book. That is why I like the way the lending is done on the Kindle. I can send the e-book to my nephew and he can read it. He has two weeks and while he has it, I cannot read it. It mimics owning the paper book. I think that is fine. I think that it is fine that libraries can only check out one copy of an e-book that they have bought at a time. If the library wants to lend to five people at once, they have to have five licenses. Again, it mimics a paper book and I think that is fair. The bigger problem, for me, is that Publishers see e-books as something totally different then a paper book and are freaking out. This is only increasing pirating and increasing people doing things like stripping DRM and then sharing a e-book with as many people as they want at one time. If the Publishers responded in a more rational manner I think they would find that most folks are comfortable with restrictions that mimic a restriction on a paper book.

02-12-2012, 09:05 PM	#380
ProfCrash Tea Enthusiast Posts: 8,554 Karma: 75384937 Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Somewhere in the USA Device: Kindle1, Kindle DX Graphite, K3 3G, IPad 3, PW2	Yup. I astill am baffelled as to why the publishing industry has not learned from the music and entertainment industry. It makes no sense. There are road maps on how to handle this but the Publishers seem to be doing their damndest to ignore them. I have no problem with a standard format and across device sharing. I understand that a lot of people think that that should be EPub based because there is more that you can do with EPub then mobi. The problem is Amazon is the big dog and to convince them to change is going to take an act of god. BN, Sony, Kobo are concerned about Amazon and would not switch if they could. And I don't think that they could switch. I get the impression that Amazon controls Mobi and is not willing to play nice with the other kids. I could be wrong about that.

02-12-2012, 09:09 PM	#381
Katsunami Grand Sorcerer Posts: 6,111 Karma: 34000001 Join Date: Mar 2008 Device: KPW1, KA1	Amazon not only controls Mobi, they own it since 2005, and therefore the Kindle is the only current reader that does not support EPUB.

02-12-2012, 11:27 PM	#383
Randeep Member Posts: 18 Karma: 30000 Join Date: Jan 2006	I download copies of eBooks when I own the physical product. These are pirated (some are in the public domain) and I have no intention of buying the eBook in the future. I feel if I purchased the physical copy its akin to scanning the book in and generating my own epub file. I know not everyone here is going to agree with this and that's cool. But I just don't believe I am doing wrong here. Now... if I loan the physical book to a friend while reading the digital copy on my reader I guess that's a different story. But most of my friends don't read and those that do aren't on analog either so this hasn't come up yet!

02-13-2012, 07:49 AM	#386
ProfCrash Tea Enthusiast Posts: 8,554 Karma: 75384937 Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Somewhere in the USA Device: Kindle1, Kindle DX Graphite, K3 3G, IPad 3, PW2	Actually, they share an e-reader so they both could read it in that two week period. But I am being silly. I do wish you could loan the book more then one time.

02-13-2012, 05:15 PM	#388
AlexGrama Writer Posts: 275 Karma: 345042 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: UK Device: Kindle Paperwhite, Nexus 7	Oh men, if we had been in a hippy-gandhi-peace-world, everything would have been free. No more problems.

02-14-2012, 02:33 AM	#390
Giggleton Banned Posts: 1,687 Karma: 4368191 Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Oregon Device: Kindle3	What do we use the network for, or rather what are you using the network for at this moment? Besides reading this post of course, lol. Or perhaps you are reading the post below this one? Either way, The medium of transmission doesn't really matter, at certain points we thought it did but we know now that it doesn't. What I mean is, we must be entertained, so we log on... We feel that for the network to exist it must first be created, but once created it will be filled. That is evident. What I really mean is yes, everyone is contributing to the culture, everyone should be compensated. Methods of compensation must be built into internet 2.0

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