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Old 09-30-2011, 09:04 AM   #361
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But you have to remember that this is not being sold as a general-purpose tablet; it's very definitely an Amazon content-delivery platform. It's clearly bring heavily subsidised by Amazon for that reason.
I think you might be off the mark regarding cost Harry, if my memory of the estimate costs of other tablets is any gauge I actually doubt they are losing anything on the hardware, especially with many of the bells and whistles stripped out, so I personally doubt there is any subsidisation going on with the Amazon Fire.

As to how it is pitched, I don't deny it is akin to a Nook Colour moreso than say an iPad, but regardless it doesn't mean that the UI, older code base, loss of functionality and software support aren’t worthy of consideration when it will be compared to general-purpose tablets regardless of where it is expected to be situated. What they have added on top of the underpinnings (stripped down playbook hardware with a variant of android 2.3) hasn't so far really done it for me. Don't doubt others are impressed, and when it is ultimately hacked to run mainstream android it will make an interesting piece of hardware rather than the lessor known Chinese no-name tablets floating around.
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Old 09-30-2011, 09:05 AM   #362
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I'm a little a giddy about this. Not only will it be good for ebook sales, which pay my mortgage, but I actually think I might have to buy a Kindle Fire just for fun and convenience. The price makes it hard to pass up.
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Old 09-30-2011, 10:04 AM   #363
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Everything from the grill like speaker vent on the Touch, to the bezel proportions of the Touch vs Non-Touch to the choice of the silver finish just don't enthral me.
that's not a "speaker grill" on the front bottom bezel of the touch. That is a physical "home" button.

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Old 09-30-2011, 10:07 AM   #364
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Most of the upgrades they have can be done with an OTA upgrade.
Have they said that the Kindle 3 (keyboard) will be updated to include X-Ray and the new Dictionary display?

BTW: Yes, I have the Kindle Classic and this is the first time I have really wanted to upgrade. Matter of fact, I pre-ordered a Touch 3G and a Fire... I will probably cancel the Fire order. But, both devices together are the same as what I paid for my Kindle Classic way back when. (My Kindle Classic was a replacement for my Sony 500).

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As to how it is pitched, I don't deny it is akin to a Nook Colour moreso than say an iPad, but regardless it doesn't mean that the UI, older code base, loss of functionality and software support aren’t worthy of consideration when it will be compared to general-purpose tablets regardless of where it is expected to be situated. What they have added on top of the underpinnings (stripped down playbook hardware with a variant of android 2.3) hasn't so far really done it for me. Don't doubt others are impressed, and when it is ultimately hacked to run mainstream android it will make an interesting piece of hardware rather than the lessor known Chinese no-name tablets floating around.
Not sure I agree in all cases that this is Amazon/media consumption-only and only fit for jail breaking. I do think your observations are right for most of us on this forum. However, I am thinking about recommending this to my mother-in-law as a netbook alternative. My biggest concern will be the ease of use of the keyboard.

The truth is that she won't search out and add aps. Nor would she use the power of a full tablet. All she needs is email and basic web as she travels ( hotel wifi not 3G). This seems like a cheap alternative. Anyone out there have any experience with $200 net books? I'd love to hear your thoughts. The reasons I think this may be superior are: 1) faster- instant on and speed reports of Amazon silk; and 2) even more portable/lighter. However, that keyboard thing is a concern.

This logic is the same reason I used to recommend Opera to those who were wedded to IE. Although I prefer FF or Chrome, Opera works out of the box for those who don't like to search out plugins.
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Old 09-30-2011, 10:25 AM   #366
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I used to think that I would not want a Kindle with the advertising.

But I would now welcome saving the money and in addition, would love to get a break from the same old dead author screen savers. Especially as unobtrusive as the ads appear to be.

I got the one with ads.

I was of the same mindset initially, willing to pay more for no ads. Then I saw the ads are a small strip at the bottom of the home page and screensavers. If the Kindle showed book covers as a screen saver that would be a different story. The ad screensavers are no worse than the stock ones in my opinion.
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The ad screensavers are no worse than the stock ones in my opinion.
I probably shouldn't admit it, but for me the ads are more pleasant than the grim-faced pictures of the dead authors.
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Old 09-30-2011, 10:52 AM   #368
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I probably shouldn't admit it, but for me the ads are more pleasant than the grim-faced pictures of the dead authors.
Oh, come on man! Those are LEGENDS!!!!

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Old 09-30-2011, 10:56 AM   #369
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I probably shouldn't admit it, but for me the ads are more pleasant than the grim-faced pictures of the dead authors.
The Ralph Ellison picture could hardly be called "grim-faced", could it?
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When looking up words on wikipedia, do kindle/Touch/Touch 3G require to have internet access?

I'm also wondering if I could use 3G to look up words on the web/wikepedia. This would be the only reason I'd probably get Touch 3G.

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The situation with all the models and multiple variants I personally think creates a mess of choice with price points just too close to each other. Whilst I can appreciate that Ad supported models lead to some nice marketing in being able to say "starting at $79.." etc, I do feel they add complication.
I agree with you! For U.S. buyers, each Kindle model (except for Kindle Fire) is offered in two versions: one with ads and one without. This makes 11 different Kindle models to choose from!

I'm all for choice, but this many models does make selection very confusing, especially when you have such similar price points and need to also consider the feature differences between models.
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When looking up words on wikipedia, do kindle/Touch/Touch 3G require to have internet access?
Yes. A slightly odd question, if you'll forgive me for saying so. How could it access Wikipedia other than via the Internet?

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I'm also wondering if I could use 3G to look up words on the web/wikepedia. This would be the only reason I'd probably get Touch 3G.
Yes. The dictionary interface on the Kindle also allows you to look up the selected word in Wikipedia, or to do a Google search for it.
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Yes. The dictionary interface on the Kindle also allows you to look up the selected word in Wikipedia, or to do a Google search for it.
Ah okay, thanks! I wasn't entirely sure before if I could use the 3G connection to look up words on wiki/web.

I've read somewhere that browsing the web is only possible through wifi connection. So, if the word lookup is independent from it, then that's good to know.
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I've read somewhere that browsing the web is only possible through wifi connection. So, if the word lookup is independent from it, then that's good to know.
Web browsing works on WiFi and 3G.

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Web browsing works on WiFi and 3G.

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