Sorry Kindle, You're Not Invited

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by GoSharks

Tell it to khalleron.....

I did. See the message I quoted.

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by wvcherrybomb

Actually, there is. As the law is written (US), it refers to any digital media to which you have the rights.

There you go. You don't have the right for library eBooks. So it's not legal.

[GoSharks]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

I did. See the message I quoted.

That would be a lot easier if you learned how to use that multi-quote button, but that's been discussed already...... yawn...

[adamselene]

Let's keep something important in mind here. Amazon made their MobiPocket version incompatible with other book vendors and readers by changing ONE BIT in the pre-encrypted DRM info. Yes, one bit—the only purpose of which is to make it incompatible. It's pretty clear they aren't interested in interoperating.

Today, with an Android tablet, I can sit on the beach (right outside my front door), check out a book from the library, and read it right there. No need for a computer, or DRM removal scripts, or kindlegen. It's awesome. I have two Kindles, and I use them all the time, but I don't think I'll be buying another until Amazon starts playing the same game.

[bhartman36]

Originally Posted by adamselene

Let's keep something important in mind here. Amazon made their MobiPocket version incompatible with other book vendors and readers by changing ONE BIT in the pre-encrypted DRM info. Yes, one bit—the only purpose of which is to make it incompatible. It's pretty clear they aren't interested in interoperating.

I'm confused. I thought the MOBI format preceded ePUB format. Isn't that the case? Didn't the ePUB vendors deliberately not choose MOBI format?

[adamselene]

Originally Posted by bhartman36

I'm confused. I thought the MOBI format preceded ePUB format. Isn't that the case? Didn't the ePUB vendors deliberately not choose MOBI format?

What does that have to do with the price of tea in Tibet? There were plenty of other vendors who were selling MobiPocket books, and supplying MobiPocket readers, long before the Kindle came out. It may even be that Amazon's abandonment and isolation from everyone else was part of the incentive for creating ePub in the first place.

[Lemurion]

Originally Posted by bhartman36

I'm confused. I thought the MOBI format preceded ePUB format. Isn't that the case? Didn't the ePUB vendors deliberately not choose MOBI format?

Yes, they chose ePub over MOBI, and they did so deliberately.

It happened shortly after Amazon bought out Mobipocket. Bookeen had already released the Cybook, which supported MOBI DRM - and wanted to add ADE support. Mobipocket told them it was one or the other, and as Amazon was already deprecating support for MOBI in favor of Kindle and AZW, they went with ADE ePub and that was that.

Libraries were already dealing with Adobe because of PDF - and with MOBI getting much less support than Kindle, it just made sense to move to ePub.

[bhartman36]

Originally Posted by adamselene

What does that have to do with the price of tea in Tibet? There were plenty of other vendors who were selling MobiPocket books, and supplying MobiPocket readers, long before the Kindle came out. It may even be that Amazon's abandonment and isolation from everyone else was part of the incentive for creating ePub in the first place.

I bring it up because the post I was responding to said that Amazon made their MOBI version incompatible with other vendors. But the MOBI format predated those other vendors. In creating the AZW/Topaz format, didn't they fork the format, rather than changing MOBI DRM? Are the other hardware vendors and e-book distributors not free to use the MOBI DRM?

[Lemurion]

Originally Posted by bhartman36

I bring it up because the post I was responding to said that Amazon made their MOBI version incompatible with other vendors. But the MOBI format predated those other vendors. In creating the AZW/Topaz format, didn't they fork the format, rather than changing MOBI DRM? Are the other hardware vendors and e-book distributors not free to use the MOBI DRM?

They forked the DRM, not the format. Kindle can read non-DRM MOBI, and any device with MOBI support can read non-DRM AZW so long as you change the file extension.

Having said that, there's no real reason to use MOBI these days. The official reader hasn't been updated since April 2008 - and they don't support either iOS or Android.

Modern MOBI is Kindle, and Amazon has chosen not to support libraries.

[iandix]

Originally Posted by bhartman36

Are the other hardware vendors and e-book distributors not free to use the MOBI DRM?

well depends what you mean here, to use the mobi DRM from Amazon they have to deal with Amazon ...one post I read, said Amazon was pushing for other vendors to use Amazon's servers (for a small charge)I guess Amazon staff love playing that game Monopoly


But epub is open source, no fees unless you use Adobe's DRM then you have to pay Adobe money. B&N DRM does not require a server to authorise the ebook each time you put it on a device.


Also why would other vendors go with the mobi format, it has not changed for over 10 years.. (still html3.2) while epub is a more advance system allowing for more features in the formatting of the ebook. Soon we will have epub3 which allows even more styling and better layout for ebooks, while Amazon has not reported any plans to develop mobi beyond what it is now.

[Gwen Morse]

Originally Posted by iandix

It could be covered under copyright violation..

but what I would class it as .. seeing you have made a contract (with overdrive) and you are violating that contract (you agreed to the contract with no intention to follow the restrictions) then that would be "gaining benefits by deception" which in most countries is a criminal charge. But I would be surprised if a court would waste their time on such a minor issue, at most all I would imagine would be to have your account closed.
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Overdrive does not have the right to take *my* tax dollars and then limit the way I access library books.

I'm a tax-payer. I pay for the library. Overdrive does not pay for the library in my locality (Overdrive does not have offices in my neighborhood). *Yes*, they're providing a service, but that service does *not* give them the right to come between me and my library books. Overdrive does that for the benefit of the publishers, not for the benefit of the library patrons.

If ebooks are going to be offered in libraries, then the publishers (and Overdrive) do not have the right to dictate what sort of ereader I have to buy in order to make use of the library. It's *my* facility (and the facility of the other people in my neighborhood), not theirs.

Corporations do NOT have the right (at least in the US) to deny explicit rights by wrapping their products up in protective technologies meant to control their use _after_ purchase. Except, of course, that they've been buying that ability from Congress. It doesn't make it any less illegal and immoral.

That all said, I understand why Amazon doesn't have epub support in kindles. I do "wish" they did (and it would be nice if they would eventually approve an epub "app"), but I understand why they don't. At this point, it's on me to make other arrangements.

[Barbara1955]

Originally Posted by Gwen Morse

Overdrive does not have the right to take *my* tax dollars and then limit the way I access library books.

I'm a tax-payer. I pay for the library. Overdrive does not pay for the library in my locality (Overdrive does not have offices in my neighborhood). *Yes*, they're providing a service, but that service does *not* give them the right to come between me and my library books. Overdrive does that for the benefit of the publishers, not for the benefit of the library patrons.

If ebooks are going to be offered in libraries, then the publishers (and Overdrive) do not have the right to dictate what sort of ereader I have to buy in order to make use of the library. It's *my* facility (and the facility of the other people in my neighborhood), not theirs.

Corporations do NOT have the right (at least in the US) to deny explicit rights by wrapping their products up in protective technologies meant to control their use _after_ purchase. Except, of course, that they've been buying that ability from Congress. It doesn't make it any less illegal and immoral.

That all said, I understand why Amazon doesn't have epub support in kindles. I do "wish" they did (and it would be nice if they would eventually approve an epub "app"), but I understand why they don't. At this point, it's on me to make other arrangements.

WAHOO I TOTALLY AGREE!!

[ApK]

OT: Katie, regarding your signature line, have you considered just setting your browser to show you everything in bold rather than trying to tell everyone else what to do?

[Barbara1955]

Originally Posted by ApK

OT: Katie, regarding your signature line, have you considered just setting your browser to show you everything in bold rather than trying to tell everyone else what to do?

Dont know how! Not computer wise & when I tried yrs ago it messed my screen up!

[corona]

Originally Posted by Katie1

Dont know how! Not computer wise & when I tried yrs ago it messed my screen up!

If you're using Firefox, pushing the "ctrl" key and the "+" key at the same time will make the type bigger. "Ctrl" and "-" makes it smaller.

Maybe this works on other browsers, too, but I don't know.

Also, just out of curiosity, doesn't the italicization make it harder to read?


Edit: Works on Internet Explorer and Chrome also.