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People keep trying to convince me of that, but I would have to make it THROUGH one of them and be "entertained" and that has not happened. Humor is actually another one of those genres that is very difficult to write such that it appeals to a large audience. There are many variations on it from juvenile humor, to wit, to silly to actual comedy and so on. One man's humor is another man's 'huh?'
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The Grand Mouse 高貴的老鼠
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Shakespeare's play were written to be watched, not read, IMO.
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Yes, but it is possible to visualize the characters,settings, etc. in your head to a degree as well (IMO). Of course I have seen several of his plays performed (on TV) so that also helps in the visualization.
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IMO it is absurd to require everybody on nearly every post on these boards to post IMO. It's a given. IMO.
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Some statements are clearly opinion. Some statements have the appearance of objective fact. It is when the latter are really opinion that an IMO is required. IMO.
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I don't get the reputation that Shakespeare carries. His is an acquired taste. I also think that it's misguided to compare him to modern writers. I think he should be compared to tv writers and showrunners. E.g I think the brilliant contributors to the great Simpsons years ( George Meyer, Al Jean, Mike Reiss) are Shakespeare's modern versions. Since Shakespeare's plays reportedly have a lot of dick jokes(something which I've not read for myself, mind) he could also be compared to Trey Parker and Matt Stone.
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Shakespeare gets the credit as he was close to the first to write in fairly understandable English. Chaucer was a good observer, but you need a dictionary to read his works, and if someone read it to you in the original language that Chaucer used, you wouldn't understand a word of it. Here's another of that era: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Faerie_Queene Le Morte d'Arthur precedes Shakespeare. (Written in 1465) Here's an article about some facets of publishing today: http://www.deanwesleysmith.com/killi...ertain-length/ Get marketing out of awards and read what you enjoy. |
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I would agree ... except for one small change: I would say "read whatever it is that motivates you to read more." Be it enjoyment, or entertainment, or challenge, or inspiration, or what-have-you.
Many make the mistake of believing readers are motivated by the same things; so naturally, things like "enjoy," "appreciate," "entertaining," "good," and "value" tend to get conflated. People read for different reasons (for some people, that reason might even change from book to book). There will never be a consensus about what is "good" (especially as it pertains to award-worthy), so there's no real point in trying to achieve such a consensus. Understanding what motivates people other than yourself to read is well and good, but it's not really all that necessary either. Allowing/tolerating reasons/criteria other than your own is where the middle-ground comes from. Some days I want to be entertained ... some days I want to be challenged. I don't see either as being a particularly "better" (or worse) criteria for determining a book's value. Last edited by DiapDealer; 02-17-2015 at 08:57 AM. |
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Fantasy which I mostly read has been really thriving for the past few years. The problem I have with science fiction in particular (not fantasy or horror) is that lots of books are very cold when it comes to characters. Most of what I've read wants to deal with big ideas and concepts, and character development takes the back seat. There are always exceptions of course and some of those exceptions are my favorite books (for example The Stars My Destination by Alfred Bester, but that's an old book I know).
Maybe my viewpoint is skewed because as a fantasy reader my number one interest is in characters, then comes the world building, and then the plot. But from what I've heard from my fellow fantasy readers a lot of them have the same problem, where SF is too dry, sterile and cold. I tend to agree in general. Last edited by Geralt; 02-20-2015 at 03:32 AM. |
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On the other hand, give me something a little more grounded and I'm all over it. Simon Green's Haven books, Alex Bledsoe's Sword-Edged Blonde, practically any "modern world meets traditional fantasy" book, urban fantasy, comic fantasy... practically anything but capital-F Fantasy. I've read some dry explore-an-idea SF, but there's some good character-driven stuff out there as well. If you like mil-SF, David Weber's got a big cast in his Honor Harrington books, and I've never found them to be interchangeable faces. Peter David's Star Trek: Excalibur series scratches some of the same itch Joss Whedon's Firefly does: a crew of quirky misfits that manages to get the job done despite all the odds. If I had to guess, I'd say we're both seeing Sturgeon's Law in action: 90% of everything is crap. (Or more; I think he was an optimist.) The trick is finding that other sliver. |
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