New Kindle said to be due end September

[HarryT]

Originally Posted by Rizla

Agreed. The non-lighted pearl screens are IMO clearer to read on than lighted carta screens. Though TBH the new hi-res carta Glo HD / Voyage / PW3 screens (all the same presumably) are extremely clear now. But the difference is all pretty subtle.

The non-illuminated screens are a little sharper in bright light (eg sunlight), I agree. As soon as you're reading in poorer artificial light, though, the extra illumination provided by the frontlight more than makes up for any loss of clarity due to the light diffuser, to my mind, and those are the conditions in which I do the overwhelming majority of my reading.

[Rizla]

Originally Posted by HarryT

The non-illuminated screens are a little sharper in bright light (eg sunlight), I agree. As soon as you're reading in poorer artificial light, though, the extra illumination provided by the frontlight more than makes up for any loss of clarity due to the light diffuser, to my mind, and those are the conditions in which I do the overwhelming majority of my reading.

It goes without saying that good lighting (from whatever source) is necessary for e-ink to work well. I can read paper much more easily in dim light than I can e-ink.

[Katsunami]

Originally Posted by eschwartz

Once can't help but think you have missed the fundamental point of this thread.

"good"ereader has apparently ripped off this thread (whatever happened to journalistic integrity) as usual -- regurgitating what we knew 3 weeks ago.
And now you post in this thread as though that link is news?

Add some random wishful thinking about larger size Kindles, and audio (deliberately removed, and not likely to be returned), and you have perfect click-bait for gullible people.

LOL... I have seen Goodereader rip off several of my own posts regarding different topics such as DRM vs. futureproofness, typography and layout, and they have had some 'expert tips' based on some stuff regarding Calibre library organisation I've posted about.

After I saw that, I stopped reading Goodereader.

[Katsunami]

Originally Posted by HarryT

The non-illuminated screens are a little sharper in bright light (eg sunlight), I agree. As soon as you're reading in poorer artificial light, though, the extra illumination provided by the frontlight more than makes up for any loss of clarity due to the light diffuser, to my mind, and those are the conditions in which I do the overwhelming majority of my reading.

This. While my eyesight is too poor to be able to see differences in sharpness, I fully believe others could see it. For me, a 160 dpi Kindle was already enough. I don't need 250, 300 or 500 dpi, as I am unable to see the difference.

The move from the Touch to the KPW1, which brought both a light layer but also 212 dpi vs 167 dpi, made no noticable difference in sharpness to me, but the light layer boosted the Kindle's clarity to such an extent that I could now use it in places where the Touch was unusable, but a *paper* book could (just) be read.

[conan50]

Originally Posted by Barty

Yes I love the convenience of the built in front light, but the light layer's impact on screen clarity is real and very apparent to me when comparing my pw and k3 side by side. In a day time room with good light, the k3 looks better.

But it's academic now as I've moved to the pw2 and try not to think about the good old k3 any more.

There's a somewhat similar trade off with high end TVs, which have an anti glare coating on top to keep the screen from being a mirror and reflect all the light in the room. However, the coating does reduce brightness and contrast a bit and adds some visual artifacts of its own. Since I have curtains and can control the amount of light falling on the screen, I'd rather not have that anti glare coating, but unfortunately it is seen as a desirable feature on high end TVs and not having it isn't an option.

Just last night I was comparing my nook Simple Touch and Paperwhite side by side and concluded I'm done reading on the Paperwhite. That mirky screen is a mess. I knew when I got rid of my K3 and got a Paperwhite I would probably regret it, and now I do. K3 with physical page turn buttons, great battery life, 3G, text-to-speech. I feel like an idiot trading that for a crippled Paperwhite.

[Atunah]

I find the comments on the light layer interesting. My posts are still there in the threads when the PW1 first came out. Or a bit after when some of us posted about how it was like looking through a window. For me it was kind of like looking through milk, like the letters where underneath something. I always had a hard time describing this. I think Blossom had some similar terms at the time. Over time I got so frustrated I purchased the basic. The one with the buttons. So I had my great screen back and my buttons.

Only issue with that was that my eyes are not great and especially in normal and darker situations, even with side lamps and all that, my eyes started to tire out. So during day time, near a window and outside, it was all great. I just don't really read outside a lot. Its just way to hot around here most of the year.

When the Voyage was announced, I waffled for a while. Since I went through like 3 different PW1 in 2012, I wanted to read reviews first. When I got the Voyage it was like nirvana for me. The screen was exactly what I was hoping for the PW1 at the time. I never saw a PW2 or PW3. The words are back on the top, there is no milk or window effect to look through at all. Its crisp and just like paper again. Just like my basic and the K3 in a way. You know how the words just sit on top like in printed pages. Bad at describing again.

So I am so very happy at how the Voyage screen is. Like I said, I never have seen the latest or the middle version of the Paperwhite so I can't compare, but the Voyage is for me this magic again. The magic I felt when I opened and turned on my first kindle. The K1 with its magical shiny bar and the wheel.

It was that kind of feeling for me again with the Voyage. I still would prefer actual buttons like on the K3 on my e-reader, but I take what I can get with the haptic. So they better not take the buttons off or not make a device like the Voyage. Or I am right back to where I was in 2012. or even 2007m with my eyes getting worse and at this time, there isn't even a device with buttons anymore. Mine still work as of now, but I want to be able to read for many years to come. So many books I still have to read.

[conan50]

I might like the Voyage, but for me it is priced too high. I use both a Kandle and an iKross reading light and they do a good job in dark conditions.

[Katsunami]

Originally Posted by Atunah

I find the comments on the light layer interesting. My posts are still there in the threads when the PW1 first came out. Or a bit after when some of us posted about how it was like looking through a window. For me it was kind of like looking through milk, like the letters where underneath something. I always had a hard time describing this. I think Blossom had some similar terms at the time.

I have described it as such as well.

I still think it's true; if there is not enough ambient light, the Kindle, and probably all front-lit e-readers, look like they are filled with milk with letters floating in between two sheets of glass.

[Atunah]

Originally Posted by Katsunami

I have described it as such as well.

I still think it's true; if there is not enough ambient light, the Kindle, and probably all front-lit e-readers, look like they are filled with milk with letters floating in between two sheets of glass.

Not the Voyage though, at least my Voyage. I don't get that at all with it. Made me so happy.

[eschwartz]

Originally Posted by Katsunami

LOL... I have seen Goodereader rip off several of my own posts regarding different topics such as DRM vs. futureproofness, typography and layout, and they have had some 'expert tips' based on some stuff regarding Calibre library organisation I've posted about.

After I saw that, I stopped reading Goodereader.

Just checking out that one linked article alone, I see some advice I'd like to give the people there in the comments but I can't, because that would make me guilty for raising the tone there.


I think it is evident that the exalted editor doesn't pay much attention or think very deeply regarding, well, anything on that website.

[Dr. Drib]

Originally Posted by Atunah

Not the Voyage though, at least my Voyage. I don't get that at all with it. Made me so happy.

I agree with you.

My Kindle Voyage is sharp and clear, and the words seem to pop off of the screen.

I, too, am very happy.

[Rizla]

Originally Posted by conan50

Just last night I was comparing my nook Simple Touch and Paperwhite side by side and concluded I'm done reading on the Paperwhite. That mirky screen is a mess. I knew when I got rid of my K3 and got a Paperwhite I would probably regret it, and now I do. K3 with physical page turn buttons, great battery life, 3G, text-to-speech. I feel like an idiot trading that for a crippled Paperwhite.

Which PW?

[conan50]

Originally Posted by Rizla

Which PW?

The first one.

[Josieb1]

Originally Posted by conan50

The first one.

Ahh the first one was dire

[Nate the great]

I'm really liking the Kindle that launched last month.