Live Blogs - Apple Press Event 12 Sep 12

[shanghaichica]

Originally Posted by ScotiaBurrell

An argument could be made that buyers were waiting for yesterdays release.

Tell us please, in the history of the Galaxy brand, how many times this happened before...

Actually all those people only bought samsungs phones because they thought they were iphones remember.

[murraypaul]

Originally Posted by afv011

Samsung sold twice as many smartphones as apple last quarter.

Apple may well take back the lead this quarter with the bump that the iPhone 5 release gives them, but I think Samsung could maintain a longer-term lead. They have high-end phones that are comparable to Apple's, and also have products that cover a lot of market segments that Apple don't.
Interesting that Apple are now keeping three different generations of the iPhones on sale, to offer some cheaper options. [Or have they done that for a while? I don't follow phone stuff]

[afv011]

Originally Posted by murraypaul

Apple may well take back the lead this quarter with the bump that the iPhone 5 release gives them, but I think Samsung could maintain a longer-term lead. They have high-end phones that are comparable to Apple's, and also have products that cover a lot of market segments that Apple don't.

Yes, Apple tries to be a jack of all trades, but you know what they say, jack of all trades, master of none. Sammy has the edge in that it caters the budget conscious, the folks who want bleeding edge, or those who want a productivity powerhouse.

Originally Posted by murraypaul

Interesting that Apple are now keeping three different generations of the iPhones on sale, to offer some cheaper options. [Or have they done that for a while? I don't follow phone stuff]

They always discounted the previous generation, but I don't know if they also discounted the 2 generations old one.

[holymadness]

Originally Posted by afv011

Yes, Apple tries to be a jack of all trades, but you know what they say, jack of all trades, master of none. Sammy has the edge in that it caters the budget conscious, the folks who want bleeding edge, or those who want a productivity powerhouse.

Also, the irony of calling Apple—which has one phone— a jack of all trades, in comparison to a company which—as you point out—is trying to appeal to every demographic, was hopefully lost on no one.

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by afv011

Samsung sold twice as many smartphones as apple last quarter.

I think that was due to people waiting for the announcement from Apple on the iPhone 5. There was no way I was going to update my iPhone 3G last quarter. That would have been a stupid thing to do.

[JSWolf]

What Apple needs to do is come out with a new model that is better enough to the previous model so it's worth upgrading to. Not two years down the line. If you have an iPhone 4s, it's not worth upgrading to an iPhone 5. Nor was the iPad 2 a worthy upgrade from the iPad.

Sure, the iPhone 5 is a good upgrade if you are going from an iPhone 3Gs or lower. But if you have a 4s, not worth it and if you have a 4, maybe, maybe not.

[HansTWN]

So, what we can all take away from Apple's latest product introduction snooze fest (boy, do they need another SJ to better present their stuff -- they should be able to afford to hire a decent speaker?) is that they blatantly copied and ripped off old designs --- their own.

And yes, Apple didn't innovate quite enough to start copying the latest superior Samsung and Nokia offerings...

So is there anyone out there who still believes that Apple's best days are not behind them? After all, who cares about a company's past, the future is all that matters.

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by HansTWN

So, what we can all take away from Apple's latest product introduction snooze fest (boy do they need another SJ to better present their stuff) is that they blatantly copied and ripped off old designs --- their own.

And yes, Apple didn't innovate quite enough to start copying the latest superior Samsung and Nokia offerings...

Apple hasn't updated very well in a long time. They are good updates if you have a device two or three years previous.

The iPod line is a different story. Apple went from something good to something not so good and the best iPod Apple has even made was the 4th gen iPod. It is without a doubt the bet sounding iPod.

[holymadness]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

What Apple needs to do is come out with a new model that is better enough to the previous model so it's worth upgrading to. Not two years down the line. If you have an iPhone 4s, it's not worth upgrading to an iPhone 5. Nor was the iPad 2 a worthy upgrade from the iPad.

Sure, the iPhone 5 is a good upgrade if you are going from an iPhone 3Gs or lower. But if you have a 4s, not worth it and if you have a 4, maybe, maybe not.

Do not understand this throw-it-away mentality. Do you replace your car every year? Your TV? Your computer? Your bicycle?

If not, then why do you need a revolutionary phone update every year? You're disappointed that you don't have to spend $600 on a new phone every 12 months? Incomprehensible.

That hype train just keeps on chugging.

[wyndslash]

Originally Posted by holymadness

Do not understand this throw-it-away mentality. Do you replace your car every year? Your TV? Your computer? Your bicycle?

If not, then why do you need a revolutionary phone update every year? You're disappointed that you don't have to spend $600 on a new phone every 12 months? Incomprehensible.

That hype train just keeps on chugging.

i think he's speaking from the point of view of the company, whose aim is of course to make as much profit as possible from each release.

one of the reasons why i don't really update my devices is because i don't know what to do with the old one. and until then, i don't buy anything new.

[holymadness]

Originally Posted by wyndslash

i think he's speaking from the point of view of the company, whose aim is of course to make as much profit as possible from each release.

one of the reasons why i don't really update my devices is because i don't know what to do with the old one. and until then, i don't buy anything new.

People upgrading their phone every generation represent a minority of Apple customers. They're principally targeting people on 2 year contracts and new users. That's why the criticisms of the tech press are always at such odds with sales figures.

Nice thing about having an iPhone is that its resale value is so high. Market value for an iPhone 4 on Craigslist? $390. For a Samsung Galaxy S? $200.

[ScotiaBurrell]

Originally Posted by afv011

Sammy has the edge

Thats why they are most profitable in world.

[ScotiaBurrell]

Originally Posted by HansTWN

So is there anyone out there who still believes that Apple's best days are not behind them?

Yes...the professionals at the verge.

The prevailing opinion after the iPhone 5 announcement is that it's boring, but still pretty great.

The design of the iPhone 5 is thoughtful, beautiful, and a wonder of modern engineering — but it is not radical.

To be very clear, the iPhone 5 won't be Apple’s Vista moment. Unlike Vista, it will work and be successful.

http://www.theverge.com/2012/9/13/33...-degrees-sunny

[wyndslash]

i've been reading a lot of verge articles in the past, and they seem very biased to me. though in fairness, lots of tech sites are anyway.

[ScotiaBurrell]

...toward reality.

http://joshuatopolsky.com/post/31285...ies-with-blogs