The Technology Vent and Rant Thread

[Quoth]

Originally Posted by meeera

Why would free travel and timezones be connected? Mainland Australia has five timezones, more if you count the little niche ones like Central Western, with no travel restrictions at all. As I said, there are _towns_ with more than one timezone.

Ah, but people on both sides of the Rabbit Fence didn't shoot each other because they preferred one side or the other.

Actually it's not comparable at all. Look at a map of the Island of Ireland with the British invented border in 1921, about 5 years after DST invented and about 80 years after Railway time ended separate English and Irish time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Railway_time

Also the UK had only existed for about 40 years when railway time leading to GMT for the entire British Isles. (called "These Islands" in the 1998 GFA, though British predates England ruling anything).

Brittany = Little Britain.
Great Britain was only Geography before 1707 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acts_of_Union_1707

[BetterRed]

↑ ↑ ↑ : TL:DR

Right now Dublin, Belfast and London are all UTC+1, at the end of October it's my understanding that all three will revert to UTC.

And comparing the continent of Australia with a few islands off the west coast of Europe in this context is a nonsense… Scilly even .

[Quoth]

Originally Posted by BetterRed

↑ ↑ ↑ : TL:DR

Right now Dublin, Belfast and London are all UTC+1, at the end of October it's my understanding that all three will revert to UTC.

And comparing the continent of Australia with a few islands off the west coast of Europe in this context is a nonsense… Scilly even .

And Lisbon! Though it's not an Island.

[DNSB]

Originally Posted by Quoth

So a DST in NI and no DST in the rest of Ireland is impossible. NI and the rest of Ireland have never been in different time zone as such apart from brief failed experiments of different DST.

Not impossible. Just highly inconvenient.

[Quoth]

Originally Posted by DNSB

Not impossible. Just highly inconvenient.

No one is going to risk re-creating a border or fuelling terrorists. I know that sounds mad, but I have experience of the N.I. stupidity.

There is another issue. Almost all "radio set" clocks in Ireland use the UK time transmission, formerly from Rugby. None of these that I've seen have a local time zone or DST setting. They are currently in the local shops. I've one old one that has a VFD and radio. It has no manual setting. Most have no manual setting.

The German one is next nearest and on a different frequency and also set to CET. I'm not sure the German signal can even be received in Ireland. Even the UK one is marginal in the Mid West.

What about GPS based clocks? They need to pick up the satellites in the 1.4 GHz band so only work near a window, that isn't made of K glass. The K glass reduces heat loss in winter and heating up in sunshine and also blocks GPS and most mobile. Also one good solar flare and there is no GPS.

There are a few clocks that use the Internet via WiFi. Common with local "weather stations" that can report to the Internet. In theory Mobile / Cell signals can be used, but I've never seen that on a stand-alone clock.

[Quoth]

Actually there is time signal from France on 162 kHz, formerly R.France program, but I've never seen a clock that uses it and when it was a regular radio station few radio sets in Ireland could receive it.

[Renate]

I had a little German clock that used the DCF77(.5 kHz) signal.
I couldn't receive that in the US so I made a little transmitter with my PC.
2/3 of 115200 is 76.8 kHz which is sort of close.
I only got it to work reliably when I used a real 77.5 from a DDS chip.

[Quoth]

I generally can't pick up any USA time transmissions here in the Midwest of Ireland. Very occasionally some of the Shortwave ones for a little while.

[meeera]

Originally Posted by BetterRed

↑ ↑ ↑ : TL:DR
And comparing the continent of Australia with a few islands off the west coast of Europe in this context is a nonsense… Scilly even .

I used the example because the post was saying it was impossible to have DST on only one side of a land border. As I said, we have small _towns_ that fall into two different timezones. It might be locally inconvenient, but it's not impossible.

[Quoth]

Originally Posted by meeera

I used the example because the post was saying it was impossible to have DST on only one side of a land border. As I said, we have small _towns_ that fall into two different timezones. It might be locally inconvenient, but it's not impossible.

No, it's impossible in the sense of not sane, never going to happen, on the British border on the Island of Ireland.

Obviously it's possible elsewhere.

Research the Good Friday Agreement and Ireland from 1800 to 1998, especially 1914 to 1972. It's why though the EU wants to end DST, the UK still has a veto on that, despite that they have left the EU. Note that States can leave, unlike the USA. Greenland was the first region to leave the EU when they got autonomy from Denmark (though still under the Danish Crown).

[meeera]

Originally Posted by Quoth

No, it's impossible in the sense of not sane, never going to happen, on the British border on the Island of Ireland.
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Again, I don't need the condescending history lesson. We just have different definitions of "impossible", that's all. Divided by a common language.

[Quoth]

Originally Posted by meeera

Again, I don't need the condescending history lesson. We just have different definitions of "impossible", that's all. Divided by a common language.

Well, I'm surprised. Obviously you do need a history lesson. Your attitude would be extremely offensive to the majority in both parts of Ireland, whether identifying as British or Irish.

The EU does "get it". The minority that supported Brexit in N.I. and Scotland get it. The right-wing English supporters (like Farage and Co) don't get it.

[BetterRed]

Brexit was inevitable from the moment Thatcher spoke in the Commons on 30 October 1990, in what is known as her "No. No. No." statement in response to an interjection by Labour leader Neil Kinnock.

After Heath smuggled the UK into the EEC, Thatcher led the campaign to remain ('75 referendum) thinking she could change its direction of travel, but she was at least 20 years too late. Once she admitted the error of her ways, the die was cast… the 'wets' would end her premiership - tout de suite, and the UK would leave the EEC/EU - eventually.

In 1990 Farage was still trading junk on Lombard Street, and in 1989, even though a member of the Conservative party, he supported and voted for the Greens because their policy was to leave the EEC. And in 1975 Kinnock campaigned to Leave the EEC, alongside Tony Benn and Enoch Powell. And Scotland, NI agreed with them.

Funny ol' world.

[Comfy.n]

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[ratinox]

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