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Why not? I frequently share household items with my neighbours and friends; only one household has to buy the same item. We are robbing other people of their income, aren't we? Does it make us morally broken?
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A few neighbors do have a Kindle so I can put a copy on it for them but they don't have a computer to save it on and wouldn't know how to make a copy even if they did have one. I'm in a retirement home in rural Arkansas. So when they're done with it the most they can do is leave it on the Kindle in case they want to read it again. I suspect they just delete them, though. However, none of this really alters my thinking. I wouldn't lend a book to someone who I think might deliver it to a pirate site. But other than that if they're good neighbors I'll lend them books if they ask for them. I have no moral or ethical issues with doing that. Then there's the general question: is it ethical to lend someone an ebook? I guess I just don't think that is a general question. It's something we all have to decide for ourselves. Barry |
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It's the difference between lending your friend a DVD, and giving that same friend a copy of the DVD. Nobody would consider lending the DVD to be wrong; many would regard giving the copy as piracy.
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If the buyer has the originals, he shouldn't care what the seller does. |
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How is this different if the end result is the same? Both cases describe a situation where one person makes the purchase with two persons benefiting from it.
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I don't see much difference between trusting your friend not do do that, and trusting your friend not to make more copies of an ebook you've lent, nor any difference in the level of culpability you should feel if that friend does so. What difference am I missing? /JB |
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^The difference is only one person can enjoy the physical DVD at one time. With a copy, you both can watch it at the same time. There is a difference. It seems that many people ignore this difference to support the argument of what they are doing.
The two loans are not equal. Whether anything brutally dishonest happens with the copy is another story and not so much on the shoulders of the lender, but the concept of lending is certainly different. Is it a meaningful difference? I'm not so sure, that depends on the parties involved. I believe companies and laws are erring on the side of distrust with the parties. That is their choice. It is our choice to lobby the policy makers and companies to what we see as reasonable. |
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After a little pleading and puppy-dog eyes - he made me copy. Some of the alternative versions were better than the final versions (though that might have been perception). I was told in no uncertain terms not to share it because he wasn't supposed to have shared it with me. Some time later, I'm in a conversation with another friend and fan of the same band - he's somehow heard of this demo tape and is dropping hints about it because he thinks I might have a copy and of course wants one. I remained silent on the topic, certainly no new copy was made, though I felt bad. But I also felt I'd done the right thing. But what are the ethics? Was it ethical for the musician to give a copy to a friend but ask him not to share it? Was it ethical for him to share it with me anyway? Was it ethical of me to not share it? And this all took place between a network of friends. My point is that "It's always better to share" is no more true than "it's always wrong to copy". In this case if I'd made a copy I'd've been kind to one friend and betrayed another. BTW you may think I was hypocritical - I accept that charge. But look at it this way: my friend who gave me the tape and I both face the same situation - we have to choose one friend to help at the cost of letting down another. There's an ethical dilemma either way. |
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You believe in the honor system when it comes to DeDRMing your books and we should just take it on faith that you won't do anything unethical with them. You deny the honor system when it comes to lending a friend a book and having him delete it when he is done with it. Quote:
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That is fundamentally difficult from the people who I do trust to lend them pbooks, and ebooks as well. Just because there is no one you trust does not mean everyone else is in the same boat. I thought your issue with the alleged piracy of a loan is because they might not delete it, so how can you say "I'm pirating the book by giving it to them in the first place" separate from them pirating the book by keeping it? I had thought your opinion was "I am responsible for making sure they don't pirate the book, by aiding and abetting them", not that you regard the loan itself -- even when verifiably carried out to an ethical and honorable end -- as intrinsically unethical. Of course, according to a strictly legal definition, you are pirating the book when DeDRMing it, period. |
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