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[Purple Lady]

Originally Posted by koland

The general rule is "would it change the meaning of the sentence if the clause were removed?" If so, use THAT; otherwise, use WHICH.

Also, clauses with WHICH generally are set off with commas, while using THAT doesn't add a comma (after all, it isn't an incidental clause that can be removed...).

Thanks! I just Googled it and found this that says the same thing, but with examples. And while typing that I was trying to figure out if I should use which or that.

http://www.quickanddirtytips.com/edu...-versus-that-0

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Originally Posted by Docno

The title is correctly written as "How to write blogs that engage readers" not "How to write blogs, which engage readers". 'Engaging readers' is a defining characteristic (hence, 'that'), not an incidental one, of the blogs.

Originally Posted by koland

The general rule is "would it change the meaning of the sentence if the clause were removed?" If so, use THAT; otherwise, use WHICH.

Also, clauses with WHICH generally are set off with commas, while using THAT doesn't add a comma (after all, it isn't an incidental clause that can be removed...).

Let's go back to the book's title: How to Write Great Blog Posts that Engage Readers.

Would the meaning of the title be changed if "that Engage Readers" were removed?

I say no. The title would then be How to Write Great Blog Posts. I would argue that if the blog post failed to engage the readers, it would not be "great."

So in regard to Docno's point, I would say that the phrase "that Engage Readers" does not refer to a sub-set of the larger set of "Great Blog Posts;" and is therefore not a defining characteristic which would call for the use of the word "that."

In regard to the comma (an issue which I had not considered), my first thought is that a comma would be appropriate when the word "which" is followed by a "being-verb" such as "are," but not when it is followed by an "action-verb" such as "engage."

Perhaps this discussion should be moved to a new thread, but I would like to hear from the many English majors I suspect haunt this board!

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[koland]

Originally Posted by GA Russell

Let's go back to the book's title: How to Write Great Blog Posts that Engage Readers.

Would the meaning of the title be changed if "that Engage Readers" were removed?

I say no. The title would then be How to Write Great Blog Posts. I would argue that if the blog post failed to engage the readers, it would not be "great."

Ah, but it would.

The book isn't _just_ about writing great blog posts. It is (by use of "that") only about great blog posts that engage readers. There are, no doubt, other means of measuring great blog posts (those that win awards, the ones that get you a book contract, those that appeal to those who listen or want tow watch videos instead of read, whatever).

Now, had there been a clause with Which (preceded by its comma), then it would have been about great blog posts in general ... some of which engaged readers ... the clause could have been removed with no effect on the meaning. Perhaps the measure of a "great post" is one that makes the author a lot of revenue (perhaps by people clicking those links and buying something ... or anything .. at Amazon?). That kind of post might not engage readers, at all - you don't want the person lingering around, not clicking links, if that is your definition, after all.

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Originally Posted by koland

Ah, but it would.

The book isn't _just_ about writing great blog posts. It is (by use of "that") only about great blog posts that engage readers. There are, no doubt, other means of measuring great blog posts (those that win awards, the ones that get you a book contract, those that appeal to those who listen or want tow watch videos instead of read, whatever).

Now, had there been a clause with Which (preceded by its comma), then it would have been about great blog posts in general ... some of which engaged readers ... the clause could have been removed with no effect on the meaning. Perhaps the measure of a "great post" is one that makes the author a lot of revenue (perhaps by people clicking those links and buying something ... or anything .. at Amazon?). That kind of post might not engage readers, at all - you don't want the person lingering around, not clicking links, if that is your definition, after all.

I'll let you have the last word, Karen!

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Originally Posted by koland

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[GtrsRGr8]

Originally Posted by koland

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Thanks for keeping us apprised of these free Charles River Editor titles.

The Fort Pillow Massacre: The History and Legacy of the Civil War's Most Notorious Battle is especially interesting to me. I had never heard the Battle described before as "the Civil War's most notorious," however, and might have to wonder about that characterization of it.

The Union's Fort Pillow (for the purpose of orienting you geographically, it was located on the Mississippi River just north of Memphis, Tennesee) had about an even number of white and black soldiers (which was an unusually high percentage of black soldiers even for a Union garrison). But, many more blacks were killed in the Battle than whites.

In the aftermath of the Battle, Confederates were accused of massacring black soldiers after they had surrendered. During the Civil War some Confederate soldiers would be particularly enraged whenever they encountered black Union soldiers, viewing them "as former slaves in the field" (from the Book Description).

"Primary sources tell conflicting accounts of what happened at Battle of Fort Pillow, leaving scholars to piece together the battle and determine whether Confederate soldiers purposely shot Union soldiers after they had surrendered" (from the Book Description). I'm interested in reading the book to see what, if any, answers that the scholars have come up with.

[koland]

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