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Toxaris · 12-06-2015, 02:08 AM

It will catch a lot of OCR errors for you. What can also help you, is the ability to run all series of search and replace commands in sequence (if you want automatic). There is a large list in Dutch and a smaller one in English. You can add new ones to your list easily. As I don't do English books a lot, the list does not really grow. If people would sent their lists to me, I could add them to the default list.
Another very useful procedure is the dialogue/citation check. It will catch those missing or additional quotation marks (very common OCR issue). There are a lot of other useful procedures in the add-in, like checking for sub- or superscript (also common OCR errors).

jangell2 · 12-06-2015, 11:07 AM

Thank you Tox and Hitch for your informative posts. Hitch, I haven't sent the book of yet, and now I probably won't. I'm just not prepared for the kind of effort this will entail. The book I want to have scanned (Memoirs of an Invisible Man) will probably never make it to ebook. Heck, it's even out of print now, has been for years.

I've just started to re-read it again and have discovered how spoiled my kindle has made me. Crisp text at a font size I choose, what a great idea. My old eyes are not enjoyed reading the text in this pocket book.

Hitch · 12-06-2015, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by jangell2

Thank you Tox and Hitch for your informative posts. Hitch, I haven't sent the book of yet, and now I probably won't. I'm just not prepared for the kind of effort this will entail. The book I want to have scanned (Memoirs of an Invisible Man) will probably never make it to ebook. Heck, it's even out of print now, has been for years.

I've just started to re-read it again and have discovered how spoiled my kindle has made me. Crisp text at a font size I choose, what a great idea. My old eyes are not enjoyed reading the text in this pocket book.

You're most welcome. I can say that some of the ppl around here who have used $1DollarScan seem happy with it, although I wouldn't consider it for production (I have an eBook-making company, to clarify). We use Golden Images (www.pdfdocument.com) exclusively; Stan's scans (say that 5x fast) are simply the best in the biz. Also--if you know how to mess with ePUB--Stan will, at almost no extra cost, put the scanned product into ePUB format for you, but be advised, that's "wcoiwyg," or "what comes out is what you get." I suppose you could put the ePUB into the Calibre editor, and do a fast convert to MOBI format, either with Kindlegen or Calibre, and then, as you come to errata on your reader, fix it in Calibre's (or Sigil's) editor. It's a thought, although, if you're just reading it, it's a lotta effort.

Hitch

Notjohn · 12-21-2015, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Hitch

Tox:

We run into this all the time, particularly with older writers--many of today's newer authors don't even know the convention, but yes: if a person is having a moment of soliloquy, and going on and on with a long, multi-paragraph speech, the convention is, opening quotes on all the paragraphs, but closing quotes only on the last. And yes, it's a major pain in the tuchus, as you CANNOT know unless you read it.

Well, it's more than a convention! I would call it a rule:

"If a passage consisting of more than one paragraph from the same source is quoted and is not set off as an excerpt, quotation marks are used at the beginning of each paragraph and at the end of the last paragraph." (Chicago Manual of Style, 10.29)

(I'm not trying to revive an old thread, just coming to grips with something.)

Toxaris · 12-21-2015, 02:07 PM

Even if it is a rule in the Chicago Manual, not a lot of books adhere to it. Anyway, the option is built in nowadays to handle this if required.

Hitch · 12-21-2015, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Notjohn

Well, it's more than a convention! I would call it a rule:

"If a passage consisting of more than one paragraph from the same source is quoted and is not set off as an excerpt, quotation marks are used at the beginning of each paragraph and at the end of the last paragraph." (Chicago Manual of Style, 10.29)

(I'm not trying to revive an old thread, just coming to grips with something.)

NJ:

Aw, c'mon, man--you know as well as I, there is an enormous block of writers nowadays that wouldn't even think of using that convention.

We have "authors" that think that an emdash means that someone trails off from speaking and that an ellipsis means that they've broken off abruptly, so knowing the soliloquy convention...pah. Not a bloody chance. YOU would do it that way, as would I...but anyone not traditionally trained? Not a freaking chance.

Hitch

BetterRed · 12-31-2015, 04:46 PM

Suggestion - a 'button' to reload the S&R rules xml file on demand. I envisage the 'button' would be in the S&R settings panel near the Select and Edit document buttons.

Currently one has to stop & start Word to get them to reload - I think

BR

Toxaris · 12-31-2015, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by BetterRed

Suggestion - a 'button' to reload the S&R rules xml file on demand. I envisage the 'button' would be in the S&R settings panel near the Select and Edit document buttons.

Currently one has to stop & start Word to get them to reload - I think

BR

Not quite. In the latest version you can specify an xml-file as source for the S&R rules. If you change that file before running the procedures by external means (the internal editor is handled anyway), it should be caught when you start the procedure. It will check the checksum of the original file compared to the new checksum. If it is changed, the xml will be processed again.
However, this only works if you make the changes to your source XML, not the temporary work-xml. If you change that one, it will not be caught. Then again, you should not be able to select the temporary xml file as source.

BetterRed · 12-31-2015, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Toxaris

Not quite. In the latest version you can specify an xml-file as source for the S&R rules. If you change that file before running the procedures by external means (the internal editor is handled anyway), it should be caught when you start the procedure. It will check the checksum of the original file compared to the new checksum. If it is changed, the xml will be processed again.
However, this only works if you make the changes to your source XML, not the temporary work-xml. If you change that one, it will not be caught. Then again, you should not be able to select the temporary xml file as source.

@Toxaris - firstly Happy New Year

I'm running 1.14.1 released in October. I don't see an option to specify an XML file as the source for S&R rules, where should it be. Or is there a later version, Check for update says "No new version available".

I change the source xml, not the temporary one. If what you say were true, then I agree there would be no need for a button - but it doesn't work for me with 1.14.1.

I remind you of this conversation we had in November. Automation can fail, there have been at least two recent airliner crashes related to autopilot failure - in one case due to weather conditions it couldn't land the plane and the pilot didn't know how to do it manually!

BR

Toxaris · 01-01-2016, 02:49 AM

Hmm, what you are saying seems to suggest that I forgot to actually release the latest version? Let me check that...

*EDIT* You were right. I made several changes, partially based on our conversation. Somehow I have forgotten to release it after the testing. So, I have released it now... One thing I have changed is using CRC32 instead of MD5. Somehow that seems better to detect changes to files.

BetterRed · 01-01-2016, 05:07 AM

Thanks Toxaris - that's really funny

I'll take 1.15 for a drive 2mora

Methinks you should automate your release process. Osmosis as a s/w distribution media is known not to work. Even lowly IP over an avian carrier is probably more reliable

.

Take care BR

BetterRed · 01-02-2016, 03:47 AM

@Toxaris - if I check the Automate process S/R rules without 'confirm' flag set setting then some rules are 'skipped' - i.e. replacements don't happen. If I uncheck that setting (and keep tapping 'Y') then no rules are skipped (same document/same rules).

I have not been able to determine a pattern. It looks like some sort of timing/run-on problem to me. I'm using Word 2010 on Windows 10 and my files are DOCXs.

I cannot say with certainty that this is only happening in latest version. The fact is, I suspect it may have been happening ever since you did the change to using XML. I have often thought to myself "WTF, I thought I had an S/R rule for that, I'll check when I have a moment". Of course such a moment never eventuates; in part at least, because I forget the WTF

I have hundreds of rules (~90% have <Permission>false</Permission>), and any one of my documents will only ever match a fraction of the rules. Hence the Automate process. . . setting is invaluable to me.

BR

Toxaris · 01-02-2016, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by BetterRed

@Toxaris - if I check the Automate process S/R rules without 'confirm' flag set setting then some rules are 'skipped' - i.e. replacements don't happen. If I uncheck that setting (and keep tapping 'Y') then no rules are skipped (same document/same rules).

I have not been able to determine a pattern. It looks like some sort of timing/run-on problem to me. I'm using Word 2010 on Windows 10 and my files are DOCXs.

I cannot say with certainty that this is only happening in latest version. The fact is, I suspect it may have been happening ever since you did the change to using XML. I have often thought to myself "WTF, I thought I had an S/R rule for that, I'll check when I have a moment". Of course such a moment never eventuates; in part at least, because I forget the WTF

I have hundreds of rules (~90% have <Permission>false</Permission>), and any one of my documents will only ever match a fraction of the rules. Hence the Automate process. . . setting is invaluable to me.

BR

I will check. It is also a very important setting for me and so far I haven't encountered this. At the moment I am baffled why this could happen, since it will run the rules in sequence. The rules themselves are correct with a description entered? Can you sent me the xml file?

TDR · 01-02-2016, 11:36 AM

For at least the past couple of versions, I've lost all hyperlinks during conversion to HTML and have had to re-do them in Sigil. Is there a new option somewhere for keeping them? Thanks.

Toxaris · 01-02-2016, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by TDR

For at least the past couple of versions, I've lost all hyperlinks during conversion to HTML and have had to re-do them in Sigil. Is there a new option somewhere for keeping them? Thanks.

That part hasn't been touched in more than a year. Are you sure that the settings are correct? In my tests it works as designed.

01-01-2016, 02:49 AM	#295
Toxaris Wizard Posts: 4,520 Karma: 121692313 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Heemskerk, NL Device: PRS-T1, Kobo Touch, Kobo Aura	Hmm, what you are saying seems to suggest that I forgot to actually release the latest version? Let me check that... EDIT You were right. I made several changes, partially based on our conversation. Somehow I have forgotten to release it after the testing. So, I have released it now... One thing I have changed is using CRC32 instead of MD5. Somehow that seems better to detect changes to files. Last edited by Toxaris; 01-01-2016 at 03:09 AM.

01-02-2016, 03:47 AM	#297
BetterRed null operator (he/him) Posts: 21,749 Karma: 30237526 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Sydney Australia Device: none	@Toxaris - if I check the Automate process S/R rules without 'confirm' flag set setting then some rules are 'skipped' - i.e. replacements don't happen. If I uncheck that setting (and keep tapping 'Y') then no rules are skipped (same document/same rules). I have not been able to determine a pattern. It looks like some sort of timing/run-on problem to me. I'm using Word 2010 on Windows 10 and my files are DOCXs. I cannot say with certainty that this is only happening in latest version. The fact is, I suspect it may have been happening ever since you did the change to using XML. I have often thought to myself "WTF, I thought I had an S/R rule for that, I'll check when I have a moment". Of course such a moment never eventuates; in part at least, because I forget the WTF I have hundreds of rules (~90% have <Permission>false</Permission>), and any one of my documents will only ever match a fraction of the rules. Hence the Automate process. . . setting is invaluable to me. BR Last edited by BetterRed; 01-02-2016 at 04:02 AM.

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12-06-2015, 02:08 AM	#286
Toxaris Wizard Posts: 4,520 Karma: 121692313 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Heemskerk, NL Device: PRS-T1, Kobo Touch, Kobo Aura	It will catch a lot of OCR errors for you. What can also help you, is the ability to run all series of search and replace commands in sequence (if you want automatic). There is a large list in Dutch and a smaller one in English. You can add new ones to your list easily. As I don't do English books a lot, the list does not really grow. If people would sent their lists to me, I could add them to the default list. Another very useful procedure is the dialogue/citation check. It will catch those missing or additional quotation marks (very common OCR issue). There are a lot of other useful procedures in the add-in, like checking for sub- or superscript (also common OCR errors).

12-06-2015, 11:07 AM	#287
jangell2 Addict Posts: 296 Karma: 1618384 Join Date: Aug 2010 Device: Kindle	Thank you Tox and Hitch for your informative posts. Hitch, I haven't sent the book of yet, and now I probably won't. I'm just not prepared for the kind of effort this will entail. The book I want to have scanned (Memoirs of an Invisible Man) will probably never make it to ebook. Heck, it's even out of print now, has been for years. I've just started to re-read it again and have discovered how spoiled my kindle has made me. Crisp text at a font size I choose, what a great idea. My old eyes are not enjoyed reading the text in this pocket book.

12-21-2015, 02:07 PM	#290
Toxaris Wizard Posts: 4,520 Karma: 121692313 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Heemskerk, NL Device: PRS-T1, Kobo Touch, Kobo Aura	Even if it is a rule in the Chicago Manual, not a lot of books adhere to it. Anyway, the option is built in nowadays to handle this if required.

12-31-2015, 04:46 PM	#292
BetterRed null operator (he/him) Posts: 21,749 Karma: 30237526 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Sydney Australia Device: none	Suggestion - a 'button' to reload the S&R rules xml file on demand. I envisage the 'button' would be in the S&R settings panel near the Select and Edit document buttons. Currently one has to stop & start Word to get them to reload - I think BR

01-01-2016, 05:07 AM	#296
BetterRed null operator (he/him) Posts: 21,749 Karma: 30237526 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Sydney Australia Device: none	Thanks Toxaris - that's really funny I'll take 1.15 for a drive 2mora Methinks you should automate your release process. Osmosis as a s/w distribution media is known not to work. Even lowly IP over an avian carrier is probably more reliable . Take care BR

01-02-2016, 11:36 AM	#299
TDR Junior Member Posts: 9 Karma: 10 Join Date: Dec 2013 Device: Kindle Voyage, iOS	For at least the past couple of versions, I've lost all hyperlinks during conversion to HTML and have had to re-do them in Sigil. Is there a new option somewhere for keeping them? Thanks.

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