ebook territorial work around?????? - Page 2

waxwing · 10-06-2010, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by geertm

Most bookstores with geo-restrictions only sell e-books to people with an US billing address, but they do accept international credit cards. They do not verify the actual billing address of the credit card with the credit card company, they just accept the address you type in yourself.
So in my case I have a Dutch Visa card with a Dutch billing address and I use that card to buy books at B&N using a US billing address in my account.
This way people like me without a US credit card are still able to buy e-books.

In the case of B&N even people from the US that do have an US credit card have to use a VPN if they want to buy books when they are outside the US because of the IP-address check.

OK, thanks, now I understand. The reason I found it difficult to follow the logic was that it never occurred to me that they wouldn't verify the address. So I could try what you're doing, but I'm a bit scared to ... tell me, does your card use the "verified by visa" thing?

Mostly Math · 10-06-2010, 10:12 PM

What if you had a friend in the US (or wherever the ebook is available) set up an account in their own name, using their own CC and whatnot, purchase the book for you. They would download it onto their computer, then email it to you. Would that work, even if it was DRMed? And if it did work, would it be considered legal? This is assuming that they would then delete the download, and not authorize the book on their own reader.

geertm · 10-07-2010, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by waxwing

OK, thanks, now I understand. The reason I found it difficult to follow the logic was that it never occurred to me that they wouldn't verify the address. So I could try what you're doing, but I'm a bit scared to ... tell me, does your card use the "verified by visa" thing?

Verified by Visa does not depend on your Visa card. Stores choose if they want to use verified by Visa. I do no know any bookstores that use it.

Just try buying books this way. The only thing that can happen is that the store does not accept your payment and your order will be cancelled. Nothing to be scared about.

geertm · 10-07-2010, 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Mostly Math

What if you had a friend in the US (or wherever the ebook is available) set up an account in their own name, using their own CC and whatnot, purchase the book for you. They would download it onto their computer, then email it to you. Would that work, even if it was DRMed? And if it did work, would it be considered legal? This is assuming that they would then delete the download, and not authorize the book on their own reader.

For someone like me who buys a lot of e-books such a solution would not really work. But the real problem would be DRM.

This would work with the B&N DRM because those books are not tied to a software or hardware ID. You would have to type in your friend's credit card number and name to open the first book. The following books would just open.

Kindle books are tied to the hardware ID of the reader. You would have to register your Kindle to your friend's Kindle account. And he would have to manage your books in his account.

Adobe Epub books are tied to the Adobe ID. You would have to register your PC en e-reader to your friend's Adobe ID, which means that you would not be able to use an Adobe ID of your own.

Sharing books this way is legal, but B&N's DRM is only one that makes sharing books this way easy.

Arcane25 · 10-07-2010, 08:29 AM

Hi.. I have been reading all e postings on this thread and somewhat I have g
otten a better picture of how I can get my eBooks. I am from Singapore and an avid reader. I am getting a Sony eReader soon. I have been surfing e net to find out ways to purchase eBooks. Thank you so much guys.. If there is anything else tht I shd be awarfe of, pls tell me.

GeoffC · 10-07-2010, 08:47 AM

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Arcane25 · 10-07-2010, 09:07 AM

Thanks GeoffC..

geertm · 10-07-2010, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Arcane25

Hi.. I have been reading all e postings on this thread and somewhat I have g
otten a better picture of how I can get my eBooks. I am from Singapore and an avid reader. I am getting a Sony eReader soon. I have been surfing e net to find out ways to purchase eBooks. Thank you so much guys.. If there is anything else tht I shd be awarfe of, pls tell me.

Remember that there is no guarantee that these workarounds will keep on working

Happy reading!

Arcane25 · 10-07-2010, 09:58 AM

GEERTM,
Yes, I am very much aware of that. But I hv to try any means avaiable in order to get my eBooks. :-)

VicStar · 10-14-2010, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by geertm

Kobobooks: Register your account with a US address. Use that same address as billing address for you credit card. I did not need a VPN.

Hiya geertm,

Thanks very much for the tips

I tried the above but the problem appears to be my Aussie credit card. Currently working with the Kobo helpdesk to try and sort this out.

Cheers,
Vic

taming · 10-15-2010, 12:43 AM

Read the user agreement on the Kobo Books site, before spoofing an address. You can violate it, but they can suspend or terminate your account.

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D. You may not obscure or misrepresent your geographical location, forge headers, use proxies, use IP spoofing or otherwise manipulate identifiers in order to disguise the origin of any message or transmittal you send on or through the Service. You may not pretend that you are, or that you represent, someone else, or impersonate any other individual or entity.

VicStar · 10-15-2010, 02:04 AM

thanks for the heads up taming

lene1949 · 10-15-2010, 02:57 AM

So... hiding your country of residence is more legal than pirating?

botrerta · 10-15-2010, 04:14 AM

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Originally Posted by lene1949

So... hiding your country of residence is more legal than pirating?

I'm not sure that that hiding your address is illegal at all. It may breach terms of use at particular ebook stores and entitle them to terminate/suspend your account, but under Australian law I don't think it is illegal to import ebooks from overseas. As everyone points out, Amazon et al are more than willing to ship hard copies of books here.........

I think this link http://bookbee.com.au/blog/2010/03/1...-rort-at-will/ sums it up nicely.

lene1949 · 10-15-2010, 04:29 AM

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Originally Posted by botrerta

I'm not sure that that hiding your address is illegal at all. It may breach terms of use at particular ebook stores and entitle them to terminate/suspend your account, but under Australian law I don't think it is illegal to import ebooks from overseas. As everyone points out, Amazon et al are more than willing to ship hard copies of books here.........

I think this link http://bookbee.com.au/blog/2010/03/1...-rort-at-will/ sums it up nicely.

But you still can't obtain the book with YOUR own details???

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10-06-2010, 10:12 PM	#17
Mostly Math Groupie Posts: 170 Karma: 1154013 Join Date: May 2010 Location: Toronto Device: Kobo (loaned out), KoboTouch (given away), KoboVox, KoboGlo, AuraHD	What if you had a friend in the US (or wherever the ebook is available) set up an account in their own name, using their own CC and whatnot, purchase the book for you. They would download it onto their computer, then email it to you. Would that work, even if it was DRMed? And if it did work, would it be considered legal? This is assuming that they would then delete the download, and not authorize the book on their own reader.

10-07-2010, 08:29 AM	#20
Arcane25 Junior Member Posts: 3 Karma: 10 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Singapore Device: sony prs650	Hi.. I have been reading all e postings on this thread and somewhat I have g otten a better picture of how I can get my eBooks. I am from Singapore and an avid reader. I am getting a Sony eReader soon. I have been surfing e net to find out ways to purchase eBooks. Thank you so much guys.. If there is anything else tht I shd be awarfe of, pls tell me.

10-07-2010, 08:47 AM	#21
GeoffC Chocolate Grasshopper ... Posts: 27,599 Karma: 20821184 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Scotland Device: Muse HD , Cybook Gen3 , Pocketbook 302 (Black) , Nexus 10: wife has PW	Arcane25 Welcome to mobileread .... Books for free ? - follow links in my signature line ....

10-07-2010, 09:07 AM	#22
Arcane25 Junior Member Posts: 3 Karma: 10 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Singapore Device: sony prs650	Thanks GeoffC..

10-07-2010, 09:58 AM	#24
Arcane25 Junior Member Posts: 3 Karma: 10 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Singapore Device: sony prs650	GEERTM, Yes, I am very much aware of that. But I hv to try any means avaiable in order to get my eBooks. :-)

10-15-2010, 02:04 AM	#27
VicStar Enthusiast Posts: 29 Karma: 10 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Australia Device: Kobo Glo, Sony PRS-650	thanks for the heads up taming

10-15-2010, 02:57 AM	#28
lene1949 Wizard Posts: 1,952 Karma: 213930 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Middelfart, Denmark Device: Kindle paper white	So... hiding your country of residence is more legal than pirating?

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