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Old 09-03-2010, 03:14 AM   #16
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Just a matter of semantic boundaries.
I'm not sure I agree; to me, the word 'religious' entails some form of reverence or devotion.
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Old 09-03-2010, 06:43 AM   #17
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Uh-Oh, here we go I give this thread one more day before it's closed.

For the record, I'm with Steve.
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Uh-Oh, here we go I give this thread one more day before it's closed.
Well, I guess that's down to the people who contribute and how they conduct themselves isn't it? Nothing inflammatory has been said yet, so let's hope it stays that way.
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Old 09-03-2010, 08:19 AM   #19
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no reason to close what is a rational well discussed topic this far ....
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no reason to close what is a rational well discussed topic this far ....
True, but there was no reason to close the political thread I started either a while back.......never-the-less
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Old 09-03-2010, 01:06 PM   #21
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I don't remember who the Catholic writer was who said:

Either matter came from Intelligence, or intelligence came from matter. I believe that matter came from Intelligence.
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I don't remember who the Catholic writer was who said:

Either matter came from Intelligence, or intelligence came from matter. I believe that matter came from Intelligence.
This is akin to believing that toys came from Father Christmas....
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Uh-Oh, here we go I give this thread one more day before it's closed.
Hardly possible, until the usual suspects hit the thread, hijack it and turn it into a discussion of e-ink vs. lcd.

A wag once said to me, "If you're so smart, why don't you understand women?" Most notably, the deity of women? Let us presuppose there is no God. How then do we explain the female, at once similar, and on reflection, quite different from men. Hawking has been married twice. His first wife, Jane Wilde, appears to have divorced him. His marriage to his second wife, Elaine Mason, a nurse, also ended in a divorce. Without a soul mate, one wonders how this brilliant man could ever understand spirituality, much less the miracle of love. I will contact my pastor to dispatch a born-again stripper to Mr. Hawkin's bedside. She will demonstrate the the attraction of the G-spot is more powerful than the force of Gravity.

Hawkin's study and work on black holes, and his support/belief in M-theory may have clouded his understanding of the universe. Some of these theoretical ideas are still pretty far out there, and await verification by countless experiments, yet to be performed. Before he attempts to push the conclusion that God is not relevant to modern physics, let him provide me with more evidence.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQvnQD9_l1c

Wait a minute. There is a 12th dimension. That dimension is spirituality -- to explain the unexplainable. I hope everyone is familiar with the cartoon below (Then a miracle happens). Q.E.D.

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There is an ongoing discussion on Huffington Post:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/clay-n..._b_705773.html

Let us wait until after Labor Day passes, and people (from the US) return from their summer vacations. The case is not closed. In fact, it is wide open.
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Old 09-06-2010, 03:30 AM   #24
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Ah the wonders of the human imagination!

Why do all things have to be explained or known?
Why can't we simply observe the beauty of the world we live in without having to explain everything?

Maybe god created the universe, maybe not. I don't care. The universe is an amazing and wonderous place, and I am glad I am here.
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Old 09-06-2010, 05:32 AM   #25
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Ah the wonders of the human imagination!

Why do all things have to be explained or known?
Why can't we simply observe the beauty of the world we live in without having to explain everything?

Maybe god created the universe, maybe not. I don't care. The universe is an amazing and wonderous place, and I am glad I am here.
Well unfortunately we are slaves to billions of years of evolution. We have no choice but to seek to predict and comprehend in order to survive and propagate. Our odds of survival are increased if we can predict behavior, the future, etc. Someone said, if gods didn't exist we would have invented them, which we did.
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Old 09-06-2010, 06:58 AM   #26
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Either matter came from Intelligence, or intelligence came from matter.
I'm not sure if Andrew W. Mitchell's Surpervirus has been discussed on the forum, but it (metaphorically) offers one way of seeing God that goes beyond what science and religion have to offer - consciousness springing out of the universe and recognising itself as God.

(It's a problem I've had myself from time to time.)
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Well unfortunately we are slaves to billions of years of evolution.
Why is it unfortunate?
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Unfortunate from the perspective of trying to step outside of the structure imposed....

Like trying to see air.
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Unfortunate from the perspective of trying to step outside of the structure imposed....

Like trying to see air.
Don't do it! It leads to madness - or philosophy; and I'm not sure which is worse
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