Kindle 3 doesn't support WPA2? - Page 2

WilliamG · 08-27-2010, 06:53 PM

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Strolls · 08-27-2010, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by WilliamG

And that's not true. When I'm out and about and wanting to quickly piggyback someone's wifi for a second, you're an easier target if you're not hidden. I understand very well that it doesn't protect you any better from people who REALLY want in to your network. HOWEVER, it does protect you from anyone wanting to quickly see if there's a network available when they're out and about on their phone/netbook etc.

Yes, but the WPA password stops casual piggy-backers, even if they can see the network.

WilliamG · 08-27-2010, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Strolls

Yes, but the WPA password stops casual piggy-backers, even if they can see the network.

I truly understand, but I'm not sure why the hate in taking it just one step further just to be hidden? It doesn't HURT anything, and it's really not what we're discussing here. The option exists on ALL routers, and I'm just discussing how to fix the Kindle 3's weirdness with connecting to it. That is all.

Skydog · 08-27-2010, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by whitearrow

Does it list the MAC address somewhere? Because I have my home wifi filtered to permitted devices only, along with WPA2.

In addition to settings, it is also on the label found on the outside of the box in which your Kindle shipped. Just below the "Made in China"/barcode:

MAC ADDRESS xxxxxxxxxxxx

TomF · 08-27-2010, 10:18 PM

I used to use MAC address filtering and hide the SSID but it's just not worth it. In my neighborhood there's a ton of wireless networks, including the clueless ones that just took it out of the box and plugged it in. Default SSID, default username, no password. That's the best security, just have one of these yahoos in your neighborhood and no one is going to mess with your WPA2 network!

Pushka · 08-27-2010, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by TomF

That's the best security, just have one of the yahoos in your neighborhood and no one is going to mess with your WPA2 network!

rdhoore108 · 09-01-2010, 01:38 PM

I suppose that even when you want to hide your SSID, you can turn SSID broadcast on momentarily just before you set up your wifi connection from your Kindle? Once it's set up, you can keep it off, because your Kindle will already know the wifi specifics.

Same for MAC address: turn off the MAC filtering, connect the Kindle, and your router will list what devices are connected. Add the address to the list, and enable the filtering again.

PS. It's such a pity the page turning buttons don't work they way they do on the Kindle 2, where you can't do any accidental page turns. But I guess it was either this or a bigger Kindle...

Strolls · 09-02-2010, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by WilliamG

I truly understand, but I'm not sure why the hate in taking it just one step further just to be hidden? It doesn't HURT anything, and it's really not what we're discussing here. The option exists on ALL routers, and I'm just discussing how to fix the Kindle 3's weirdness with connecting to it. That is all.

It has no security benefit.

It makes legitimately connecting to your own router less convenient, as this thread has demonstrated.

It's a waste of time, and any effect on security is in giving a false sense of it.

BinaryTB · 09-02-2010, 10:47 AM

Plus the I believe the 802.11 standard requires the SSID to be broadcast to be fully compliant.

TomF · 09-02-2010, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Strolls

It has no security benefit.

It makes legitimately connecting to your own router less convenient, as this thread has demonstrated.

It's a waste of time, and any effect on security is in giving a false sense of it.

Ditto for long, complicated, many-digit alpha/numeric/symbol passwords. A complete waste of time and inconvenient. Bottom line, no one is going to waste time hacking the average person's home network.

Strolls · 09-03-2010, 04:39 AM

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Originally Posted by TomF

Ditto for long, complicated, many-digit alpha/numeric/symbol passwords. A complete waste of time and inconvenient. Bottom line, no one is going to waste time hacking the average person's home network.

Agree with those or not, they do make they encryption technically harder to hack. Hiding the SSID (or using MAC filtering) does not.

emalvick · 09-03-2010, 11:18 AM

Actually, I think that hiding the SSID can be legitimate. I live in a college town where most of my neighbors are college students and a few of them are students who do anything they can to get a free internet connection. When I was first in the neighborhood and broadcasting my SSID with WEP (before WPA2 was available), I could see through my firewall that someone was continually trying to get into my network probably just as they were trying to get through a few of the other nearby networks broadcasting their SSID.

I do think they got through once, but once I hid the SSID, they did quit trying. While I know that they could have kept trying, there were enough other networks for them to try, which was more of a deterrent than just hiding my network was, but it was good for something.

Later I ended up with WPA2 and started broadcasting my SSID again (for my own ease), and the attempts to get in kept up. I also added MAC address filtering just because it made me more comfortable, but the attempts kept coming. I now go back to hiding the SSID and broadcasting it when I get a new device to connect but leave it off otherwise.

The reality is that while it may not do a lot for security, if a potential freeloader (which is what I deal with) is trying to find a network, it helps if they don't know it's there, especially when there are other wireless networks around.

franklekens · 09-13-2010, 06:19 AM

Is there any way to enter the password on the kindle through the computer (copy paste) rather than manually? I set a 63 character password at home, it's rather a pain to have to enter that with the device's keyboard.

Tiersten · 09-13-2010, 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by franklekens

Is there any way to enter the password on the kindle through the computer (copy paste) rather than manually? I set a 63 character password at home, it's rather a pain to have to enter that with the device's keyboard.

No. You only need to do it once though :P

franklekens · 09-13-2010, 06:54 AM

Yes. I already failed twice.

There's some o' dem damn symbols in it too...

08-27-2010, 10:18 PM	#20
TomF Kindle Enthusiast Posts: 243 Karma: 1818 Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: San Diego, CA Device: Kindle 3G Graphite, Kindle Fire	I used to use MAC address filtering and hide the SSID but it's just not worth it. In my neighborhood there's a ton of wireless networks, including the clueless ones that just took it out of the box and plugged it in. Default SSID, default username, no password. That's the best security, just have one of these yahoos in your neighborhood and no one is going to mess with your WPA2 network! Last edited by TomF; 09-02-2010 at 11:03 AM. Reason: spelling

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rdhoore108 Ronny D'Hoore Posts: 5 Karma: 10 Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Belgium Device: Kindle 2, Kindle 3 wifi	I suppose that even when you want to hide your SSID, you can turn SSID broadcast on momentarily just before you set up your wifi connection from your Kindle? Once it's set up, you can keep it off, because your Kindle will already know the wifi specifics. Same for MAC address: turn off the MAC filtering, connect the Kindle, and your router will list what devices are connected. Add the address to the list, and enable the filtering again. PS. It's such a pity the page turning buttons don't work they way they do on the Kindle 2, where you can't do any accidental page turns. But I guess it was either this or a bigger Kindle...

09-02-2010, 10:47 AM	#24
BinaryTB Connoisseur Posts: 75 Karma: 74 Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Seattle, WA Device: Kobo Libra Colour	Plus the I believe the 802.11 standard requires the SSID to be broadcast to be fully compliant.

09-03-2010, 11:18 AM	#27
emalvick Groupie Posts: 166 Karma: 5358 Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Davis, CA Device: Kindle 3	Actually, I think that hiding the SSID can be legitimate. I live in a college town where most of my neighbors are college students and a few of them are students who do anything they can to get a free internet connection. When I was first in the neighborhood and broadcasting my SSID with WEP (before WPA2 was available), I could see through my firewall that someone was continually trying to get into my network probably just as they were trying to get through a few of the other nearby networks broadcasting their SSID. I do think they got through once, but once I hid the SSID, they did quit trying. While I know that they could have kept trying, there were enough other networks for them to try, which was more of a deterrent than just hiding my network was, but it was good for something. Later I ended up with WPA2 and started broadcasting my SSID again (for my own ease), and the attempts to get in kept up. I also added MAC address filtering just because it made me more comfortable, but the attempts kept coming. I now go back to hiding the SSID and broadcasting it when I get a new device to connect but leave it off otherwise. The reality is that while it may not do a lot for security, if a potential freeloader (which is what I deal with) is trying to find a network, it helps if they don't know it's there, especially when there are other wireless networks around.

09-13-2010, 06:19 AM	#28
franklekens Addict Posts: 398 Karma: 3421956 Join Date: Sep 2009 Device: various Kobo's, Onyx Note2, Pocketbook 360, Kindle Keyboard	Is there any way to enter the password on the kindle through the computer (copy paste) rather than manually? I set a 63 character password at home, it's rather a pain to have to enter that with the device's keyboard.

09-13-2010, 06:54 AM	#30
franklekens Addict Posts: 398 Karma: 3421956 Join Date: Sep 2009 Device: various Kobo's, Onyx Note2, Pocketbook 360, Kindle Keyboard	Yes. I already failed twice. There's some o' dem damn symbols in it too...

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