Nokia N800 Internet Tablet as an e-book reader? - Page 2

wallcraft · 03-05-2007, 12:49 PM

At least on Amazon in the US, the Nokia 770 is $100 cheaper than the N800. These are virtually identical for e-book reading, and the 770 even has some advantages (like the hard case and more accessible top keys). The N800 probably is worth the extra money if you expect to use its extra hardware or to make significant non-reading use of the device.

A used 770 might also be an option. These are very well made, and I would expect an average 2nd hand unit to look almost new.

Adam B. · 03-05-2007, 01:55 PM

I got my 770 for about $220 on ebay. Looks great, minor scratches on the hard cover, and a heck of a discount. I don't use it much for ebook reading, but with fbreader installed, it works quite well.

jriihi · 03-06-2007, 04:39 AM

What about screen size? Sony eReader is 6" 800x600 while Nokia 770/800 are 4.13" 800x480 (N800 atleast does have LED backlight not sure about N770).

I found also HTC Advantage/odondo 1000u/t-mobile amilo PDA+phone hybrid that has 5" 640x480 screen (price: 1000e).

All other over 5" (minipcs) so far expect sony ereader seem to be 6.5" or 7" and dimensions or weight are too big.

Are these correct screen dimensions:
sony ereader 6" 121*90mm
htc advantage 5" 100*75mm
N770/N800 4.13" 90*54mm

wallcraft · 03-06-2007, 10:57 AM

Note that the 770/N800 are usually shown in "landscape" mode, i.e. 800 wide by 480 high (90 by 54 mm). I use FBReader that way too, although it can be rotated into any of the four possible orientations. The screen is identical on the two Nokias.

The Sony Reader is usually shown in portrait mode, 600 wide by 800 high (90 by 121 mm). It can be used in either landscape or portrait mode.

So the Nokia's have more pixels per inch, and are as wide as but are about half as high as the Sony. The Sony screen aspect ratio is certainly more book-like than the others.

For web browsing, 800 pixels wide is often enough (and 640 is often not enough). So the Nokia's are probably better than the HTC. However, both screens are so small that you may have to zoom and then the 800 pixel advantage is largely lost. I find the 7 inch PepperPad 3 screen is much better for web browsing than the Nokia 770's 4 inchs.

TadW · 03-06-2007, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by wallcraft

Note that the 770/N800 are usually shown in "landscape" mode, i.e. 800 wide by 480 high (90 by 54 mm). I use FBReader that way too, although it can be rotated into any of the four possible orientations. The screen is identical on the two Nokias.

How is the quality of the screen when you rotate it? I have seen it many times that when you change the viewing angle of an LCD screen by rotating it the image quality deteriorates (colors look wrong, font becomes harder to read, etc.).

jungwolf · 03-07-2007, 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TadW

How is the quality of the screen when you rotate it? I have seen it many times that when you change the viewing angle of an LCD screen by rotating it the image quality deteriorates (colors look wrong, font becomes harder to read, etc.).

I use the n800 (and before, the 770) as an ereader. I always rotate to use it in portrait mode. It works very well this way. I haven't noticed any color distortion from this rotation, but then I have FBReader set to display text as light gray on black.

jriihi · 03-07-2007, 03:25 PM

I am almost ready to get N800 expect readability in direct sunlight. How good is N800 screen in sunlight?

jungwolf · 03-13-2007, 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jriihi

I am almost ready to get N800 expect readability in direct sunlight. How good is N800 screen in sunlight?

In my experience, I find the screen still washed out in direct sunlight. In pretty much _every_ other respect the screen is excellent, but direct sunlight is just killer for backlit LCDs. I find myself reading in low light situations far more often than in sunlight so the tradeoff is just fine for me.

jriihi · 03-13-2007, 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jungwolf

In my experience, I find the screen still washed out in direct sunlight. In pretty much _every_ other respect the screen is excellent, but direct sunlight is just killer for backlit LCDs. I find myself reading in low light situations far more often than in sunlight so the tradeoff is just fine for me.

Sunlight I am talking about is usual sunny day outdoors and sitting in bus.. There is lot of sunlight but its not exactly going directly onscreen. I wonder if it washes out then (probably)?

I have ordered sony reader but might also get N800 if its good enough in sunny day.

klark · 05-26-2007, 07:16 AM

hi there

can someone post a picture of how it looks like when you read a pdf on the 770 or 800?
would really appreciate that.

cheers,
klark

Adam B. · 05-27-2007, 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by klark

hi there

can someone post a picture of how it looks like when you read a pdf on the 770 or 800?
would really appreciate that.

cheers,
klark

It really depends on the PDF. I have a nokia 770 with the OS2007 (same OS and screen size as the 800). If you post an example PDF, I can take a screenshot.

klark · 05-29-2007, 05:01 AM

thanks adam.
here comes the pdf. its a free cakephp tutorial from ibm.com

cheers,
klark

Adam B. · 05-29-2007, 06:17 AM

It's not bad... small, but readable.

The screenshot on the left is full screen mode. The one on the right is the standard view.

klark · 05-29-2007, 07:30 AM

first of all, thanks for the screens.

but i have to crop them a little i think.
because the display is smaller than the screenshots even if the resolution stays the same.

after all it seems to be pretty small.

Adam B. · 05-29-2007, 07:45 AM

It does have some zooming functions built in (look at the second screenshot), but it isn't all that great.

I know you were looking at the iLiad as well. "Out of the box", it doesn't look that bad. After you zoom to remove the margins and page numbers, it looks great. Very readable.

Sorry about the crappy camera phone quality shot... But I thought an actual picture would help better for a size reference.

05-29-2007, 06:17 AM	#28
Adam B. Addicted to Porting Posts: 1,697 Karma: 7194 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Indianapolis, IN Device: iRex iLiad, Nokia 770, Samsung i760	It's not bad... small, but readable. The screenshot on the left is full screen mode. The one on the right is the standard view. Attached Thumbnails

05-29-2007, 07:45 AM	#30
Adam B. Addicted to Porting Posts: 1,697 Karma: 7194 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Indianapolis, IN Device: iRex iLiad, Nokia 770, Samsung i760	It does have some zooming functions built in (look at the second screenshot), but it isn't all that great. I know you were looking at the iLiad as well. "Out of the box", it doesn't look that bad. After you zoom to remove the margins and page numbers, it looks great. Very readable. Sorry about the crappy camera phone quality shot... But I thought an actual picture would help better for a size reference. Attached Thumbnails

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03-05-2007, 12:49 PM	#16
wallcraft reader Posts: 6,977 Karma: 5183568 Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Mississippi, USA Device: Kindle 3, Kobo Glo HD	At least on Amazon in the US, the Nokia 770 is $100 cheaper than the N800. These are virtually identical for e-book reading, and the 770 even has some advantages (like the hard case and more accessible top keys). The N800 probably is worth the extra money if you expect to use its extra hardware or to make significant non-reading use of the device. A used 770 might also be an option. These are very well made, and I would expect an average 2nd hand unit to look almost new.

03-05-2007, 01:55 PM	#17
Adam B. Addicted to Porting Posts: 1,697 Karma: 7194 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Indianapolis, IN Device: iRex iLiad, Nokia 770, Samsung i760	I got my 770 for about $220 on ebay. Looks great, minor scratches on the hard cover, and a heck of a discount. I don't use it much for ebook reading, but with fbreader installed, it works quite well.

03-06-2007, 04:39 AM	#18
jriihi Member Posts: 16 Karma: 21 Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Espoo, Finland Device: Sony Reader, Apple iPad	What about screen size? Sony eReader is 6" 800x600 while Nokia 770/800 are 4.13" 800x480 (N800 atleast does have LED backlight not sure about N770). I found also HTC Advantage/odondo 1000u/t-mobile amilo PDA+phone hybrid that has 5" 640x480 screen (price: 1000e). All other over 5" (minipcs) so far expect sony ereader seem to be 6.5" or 7" and dimensions or weight are too big. Are these correct screen dimensions: sony ereader 6" 12190mm htc advantage 5" 10075mm N770/N800 4.13" 90*54mm

03-06-2007, 10:57 AM	#19
wallcraft reader Posts: 6,977 Karma: 5183568 Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Mississippi, USA Device: Kindle 3, Kobo Glo HD	Note that the 770/N800 are usually shown in "landscape" mode, i.e. 800 wide by 480 high (90 by 54 mm). I use FBReader that way too, although it can be rotated into any of the four possible orientations. The screen is identical on the two Nokias. The Sony Reader is usually shown in portrait mode, 600 wide by 800 high (90 by 121 mm). It can be used in either landscape or portrait mode. So the Nokia's have more pixels per inch, and are as wide as but are about half as high as the Sony. The Sony screen aspect ratio is certainly more book-like than the others. For web browsing, 800 pixels wide is often enough (and 640 is often not enough). So the Nokia's are probably better than the HTC. However, both screens are so small that you may have to zoom and then the 800 pixel advantage is largely lost. I find the 7 inch PepperPad 3 screen is much better for web browsing than the Nokia 770's 4 inchs.

03-07-2007, 03:25 PM	#22
jriihi Member Posts: 16 Karma: 21 Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Espoo, Finland Device: Sony Reader, Apple iPad	I am almost ready to get N800 expect readability in direct sunlight. How good is N800 screen in sunlight?

05-26-2007, 07:16 AM	#25
klark Member Posts: 10 Karma: 10 Join Date: May 2007	hi there can someone post a picture of how it looks like when you read a pdf on the 770 or 800? would really appreciate that. cheers, klark

05-29-2007, 07:30 AM	#29
klark Member Posts: 10 Karma: 10 Join Date: May 2007	first of all, thanks for the screens. but i have to crop them a little i think. because the display is smaller than the screenshots even if the resolution stays the same. after all it seems to be pretty small.

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