APPLE! Please bring back the Newton! - Page 2

yvanleterrible · 11-13-2006, 09:29 AM

Actually I'm not necessarily a Newton fan as per se but I loved the originality of some of it's features. The first handwriting recognition comes to mind and the coined term PDA. What I'm mostly thinking of is that if Apple comes into the area of readers, that machine will be totally ergonomic, and backed up by excellent software. And what should we expect with design?

What I've noticed most of Apple detractors is that they feel better about the platform they're using and don't want to switch. I agree, I work on both. Since they want to faithfully keep to it everything Apple builds will be a threat to that peace; owning an Apple product means having to use it with an unwanted Apple computer. Also some Apple software lacks depth compared to Windows. But then we must remember that the Apple OS has fewer adopters thus a lower potential for investment. Apple seems big and full of itself sometimes but just remember how IBM was before it Lenovoed and Lexmarked away! The biggest point in favor of Apple is imagination. You feel it in the design, the utility and the marketing.

What I like most about it is that it is still able to sustain viable markets against cheaper producers of electronics without moving away completely from America. Being several steps ahead of your competitors by leaning on creativity and originality is the best alternative to keep a market captive, not DRM...

(Please guys I just wanted to say how I feel, not irritate anyone.)

jæd · 11-13-2006, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by yvanleterrible

...owning an Apple product means having to use it with an unwanted Apple computer. Also some Apple software lacks depth compared to Windows.

Can you explain both of these statements...? AFAIK all none-computer Apple products are compatible with Windows PCs... And I've never felt Apple software lacks "depth"...

yvanleterrible · 11-13-2006, 10:02 AM

When a new device comes out it is supported only on the Apple Os. When the software comes out on the PC it is often unstable for a while (iTune comes to mind, it regularly crashes my XP)

First lack of depth is the non right clickable mouse. When I switch from my PC to my Mac the mouse has me stumbling every time. Compare any Apple only word processors of the recent past with Word of said era and you'll see. But then, I have to say that I don't have this year's version of both platform software.

(Told you It was my opinion. I hate sounding like I'm picking fights.)

jæd · 11-13-2006, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by yvanleterrible

First lack of depth is the non right clickable mouse. When I switch from my PC to my Mac the mouse has me stumbling every time.

Then change it... You do know that OS X has supported right-clicking for last couple of years...? If you have a laptop then there are extensions that allow you to "tap" as a right button.

Quote:

Originally Posted by yvanleterrible

(Told you It was my opinion. I hate sounding like I'm picking fights.)

Well... I could answer your other points but life is too short for a Mac vs PC debate...!

yvanleterrible · 11-13-2006, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by jæd

Then change it... You do know that OS X has supported right-clicking for last couple of years...? If you have a laptop then there are extensions that allow you to "tap" as a right button.

Well... I could answer your other points but life is too short for a Mac vs PC debate...!

Right on all counts! I'm due for a fifth new Mac and a fourth new PC.

tcv · 11-13-2006, 02:31 PM

MacOS 9 supported right-clicking, too.

Steven Lyle Jordan · 12-05-2006, 01:49 PM

I agree that Apple is probably waiting until all the stars and planets properly align... that's what they did with their iPod and iTunes. I'm sure they're waiting for color e-ink.

But the device will stall without products, so they will want an iBooks store to go with it, and hopefully come out with all kinds of content (not just books, in other words) for it. My money would be on subscription-based and single-sale pop magazines. If no one has such a store, they'll create it.

And if they don't believe a large enough of a market for both will exist, they'll leave it cold.

RWood · 12-05-2006, 03:49 PM

It is not that much of a jump from the video iPod concept to the iBook concept. Resolution and screen size being the prime changes.

The market for download music was small before the iPod and most people looked at you funny if you had a portable mp3 player. Somewhere around here there is still an old Creative Jukebox that must weigh 4 pounds with batteries.

When (not if) Apple enters the ebook market it will take off like we're never seen it before. The Sony is a wedge to that day.

NatCh · 12-05-2006, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by RWood

The Sony is a wedge to that day.

Do you mean that you see the Sony as slowing things down or speeding them up?

I can read "wedge" as meaning either, so I thought I'd ask.

RWood · 12-05-2006, 08:21 PM

I was using the word as in lever, to speed things up. Sorry for any confusion you may have had.

You have a large multinational with a long history in consumer electronics offering a product that that had before been only a niche market or an after-thought to other features on a PDA or cell phone and offering it to the world at large. The exposure they have gained in national magazines and web sites (beyond this one and their own) is something that no other ebook reader has ever been able to do before. If Apple follows in the wake (however small it may be to the total consumer electronics market) it will only open the market wider. While it matters to some people like those in this forum, it is still a nit in contrast to the size of the PS2/PS3 or DVD market for example.

Nightwing · 12-05-2006, 08:54 PM

Very interesting post over at wired...

http://blog.wired.com/music/2006/12/...ints_at_z.html

Esp the last paragraph....

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As for Sony Connect music store, Glasgow admitted, "it has not been successful," while pointing to Sony Connect's success in providing content to the company's new briskly-selling eReader device. If Sony releases a new music store/device combo next year, it will likely build on Sony's eReader success, which it says closely unites the content source with the device it plays on -- just like the iTunes/iPod and the Zune ecosystems do for music.

There are other interesting passages...

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Glasgow also had some choice words for DRM that indicate a break from Sony's previous stance. He said, "DRMs are going to become less important" as time goes on,

NatCh · 12-05-2006, 09:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RWood

Sorry for any confusion you may have had.

Hah! You're not to blame for my confusion -- I've been confused for years!

Seriously though, I thought that was probably what you meant (and I agree with your reasoning entirely), I just wanted to be sure.

Snappy! · 12-07-2006, 04:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jæd

Then change it... You do know that OS X has supported right-clicking for last couple of years...? If you have a laptop then there are extensions that allow you to "tap" as a right button.

Well... I could answer your other points but life is too short for a Mac vs PC debate...!

Good one there! I learn something new everyday!

... this is one line that will come in handy ... shall I say, quite soon enough.

"Well... I could answer your other points but life is too short for a XYZ debate...! "

11-13-2006, 09:29 AM	#16
yvanleterrible Reborn Paper User Posts: 8,616 Karma: 15446734 Join Date: May 2006 Location: Que Nada Device: iPhone8, iPad Air	Actually I'm not necessarily a Newton fan as per se but I loved the originality of some of it's features. The first handwriting recognition comes to mind and the coined term PDA. What I'm mostly thinking of is that if Apple comes into the area of readers, that machine will be totally ergonomic, and backed up by excellent software. And what should we expect with design? What I've noticed most of Apple detractors is that they feel better about the platform they're using and don't want to switch. I agree, I work on both. Since they want to faithfully keep to it everything Apple builds will be a threat to that peace; owning an Apple product means having to use it with an unwanted Apple computer. Also some Apple software lacks depth compared to Windows. But then we must remember that the Apple OS has fewer adopters thus a lower potential for investment. Apple seems big and full of itself sometimes but just remember how IBM was before it Lenovoed and Lexmarked away! The biggest point in favor of Apple is imagination. You feel it in the design, the utility and the marketing. What I like most about it is that it is still able to sustain viable markets against cheaper producers of electronics without moving away completely from America. Being several steps ahead of your competitors by leaning on creativity and originality is the best alternative to keep a market captive, not DRM... (Please guys I just wanted to say how I feel, not irritate anyone.) Last edited by yvanleterrible; 11-13-2006 at 09:33 AM. Reason: jeez I have to get my glasses fixed!

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11-13-2006, 10:02 AM	#18
yvanleterrible Reborn Paper User Posts: 8,616 Karma: 15446734 Join Date: May 2006 Location: Que Nada Device: iPhone8, iPad Air	When a new device comes out it is supported only on the Apple Os. When the software comes out on the PC it is often unstable for a while (iTune comes to mind, it regularly crashes my XP) First lack of depth is the non right clickable mouse. When I switch from my PC to my Mac the mouse has me stumbling every time. Compare any Apple only word processors of the recent past with Word of said era and you'll see. But then, I have to say that I don't have this year's version of both platform software. (Told you It was my opinion. I hate sounding like I'm picking fights.)

11-13-2006, 02:31 PM	#21
tcv Addict Posts: 330 Karma: 596 Join Date: Oct 2006	MacOS 9 supported right-clicking, too.

12-05-2006, 01:49 PM	#22
Steven Lyle Jordan Grand Sorcerer Posts: 8,478 Karma: 5171130 Join Date: Jan 2006 Device: none	I agree that Apple is probably waiting until all the stars and planets properly align... that's what they did with their iPod and iTunes. I'm sure they're waiting for color e-ink. But the device will stall without products, so they will want an iBooks store to go with it, and hopefully come out with all kinds of content (not just books, in other words) for it. My money would be on subscription-based and single-sale pop magazines. If no one has such a store, they'll create it. And if they don't believe a large enough of a market for both will exist, they'll leave it cold.

12-05-2006, 03:49 PM	#23
RWood Technogeezer Posts: 7,233 Karma: 1601464 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Virginia, USA Device: Sony PRS-500	It is not that much of a jump from the video iPod concept to the iBook concept. Resolution and screen size being the prime changes. The market for download music was small before the iPod and most people looked at you funny if you had a portable mp3 player. Somewhere around here there is still an old Creative Jukebox that must weigh 4 pounds with batteries. When (not if) Apple enters the ebook market it will take off like we're never seen it before. The Sony is a wedge to that day.

12-05-2006, 08:21 PM	#25
RWood Technogeezer Posts: 7,233 Karma: 1601464 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Virginia, USA Device: Sony PRS-500	I was using the word as in lever, to speed things up. Sorry for any confusion you may have had. You have a large multinational with a long history in consumer electronics offering a product that that had before been only a niche market or an after-thought to other features on a PDA or cell phone and offering it to the world at large. The exposure they have gained in national magazines and web sites (beyond this one and their own) is something that no other ebook reader has ever been able to do before. If Apple follows in the wake (however small it may be to the total consumer electronics market) it will only open the market wider. While it matters to some people like those in this forum, it is still a nit in contrast to the size of the PS2/PS3 or DVD market for example.

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