Seriously thoughtful Unbelievable! (not allowed to show the flag)

[pdurrant]

Originally Posted by desertgrandma

I Yes, we had one student who was muslim and whose parents,both US citizens, instructed her not to say the pledge, but she could sing the anthem. Go figure. This student, however, understood she would stand quietly and respectfully during the pledge.......

I obvious cannot know, but it might be the words "under God" that were added to your pledge in 1954 that are the problem for her parents, rather than anything to do with it being a pledge of allegiance to the USA.

[Ham88]

This is America, if the American flag offends you why are you here?

I don't get it....

[desertgrandma]

Originally Posted by pdurrant

I obvious cannot know, but it might be the words "under God" that were added to your pledge in 1954 that are the problem for her parents, rather than anything to do with it being a pledge of allegiance to the USA.

Good point, but knowing this child and her parents......no. It was a downright refusal to pledge allegiance to this country.

While at the same time availing themselves of every opportunity it offers.

[Laz116]

Originally Posted by Ham88

This is America, if the American flag offends you why are you here?

I don't get it....

It hasn't anything to do with being offended by the national flag. It has all to do with a company which is afraid of alienating potential or real customers. No one besides the company from whom he rents his apartment has complained. This is a problem of the lack of morality in capitalism. Consumer is king regardless of what, since sales is all that matters. So in order to secure future profits, no sale should be lost by the display of a political or religious stance. That at least is their argument.

It's not about anti-american sentiments or anything in that area. Contrary, it's the natural development of a system USA has taken to its heart, regardless of the moral faults of that system. If making a buck is king, then everything else must fade: morality, nationality, religion etc.

[Laz116]

Originally Posted by desertgrandma

Good point, but knowing this child and her parents......no. It was a downright refusal to pledge allegiance to this country.

While at the same time availing themselves of every opportunity it offers.

The knowledge of other peoples minds and hearts is indeed impressive. You must be an american.

[wodin]

Do you have a dog in this fight, Laz?

[Verencat]

Originally Posted by Bilbo1967

Great to see such a healthy attitude. The truth is more important than any difference of opinion.

Originally Posted by kindlekitten

I end up in trouble for it more often than not, but so be it

Originally Posted by Bilbo1967

Well, I know from some of your posts that you and I wouldn't see eye to eye about everything, but I do appreciate your honesty and honest desire to do the right thing

Originally Posted by kindlekitten

thanks

You both just made my day. Thanks!

[Iphinome]

Originally Posted by Ham88

This is America, if the American flag offends you why are you here?

I don't get it....

Well I was born here and it isn't as if going somewhere else is really an option as other countries aren't in the habit of just letting you move in. Not that I have any problem with an American flag but if I did I'd still be here either way.

[Iphinome]

Originally Posted by desertgrandma

Yes, we had one student who was muslim and whose parents,both US citizens, instructed her not to say the pledge, but she could sing the anthem. Go figure. This student, however, understood she would stand quietly and respectfully during the pledge.......

They could find the concept of making children stand up and take a loyalty oath reeks of the days of Joe McCarthy.

[Laz116]

Originally Posted by wodin

Do you have a dog in this fight, Laz?

I don't know the expression "to have a dog" since english is not my native language.

What I am opposing is that the critique of not being allowed to have a flag in the window has anything to do with america as a bastion of freedom of speech. First of all: America has never been that bastion. Second of all: It hasn't got anything to do with people not swearing allegiance to the flag either. It's all to do with a business not wanting to scare away potential customers. Nothing more, nothing less.

If I'm the troll, what the hell are all these other people in the thread who can't make a coherent argument. 1) there's no attack on the american flag from people living in america, who isn't americans. It's comes from within (the company rules). 2) There's no relation between the current situation and a girl who is not allowed by her parents to sing the national anthem.

I personally think it's a disgrace that people aren't allowed to wave whatever flag they may like (except perhaps the nazi-flag, not sure about that). However the reason they aren't allowed to wave the flag or even display it, has nothing to do with foreign pressure, but everything to do with capitalisms disregard of anything besides what pays the best.

[dsvick]

Originally Posted by kindlekitten

during the presidential campaign I can't recall how many semi hysterical people I talked to that were convinced Obama was a muslim. once again... don't like the man... but I would tell them that was not the case. I hated sticking up for him. but did. the truth counts

I'm not a fan of his either and I end up doing that with people all the time. From the "he's a muslim", to "he didn't shake hands with people at a diplomatic function", to "he bows to everyone", then there is the muslim stamp he authorized, and his lack of citizenship, and on and on.... I mostly get them from people who blindly pass them on, ironically it is often with a warning that is something like - don't let them pull the wool over your hides.

The thing that pisses me off regarding the flag flying issue is that everyone that said is for purely economic reasons is correct. The association doesn't want everyone to start flying all sorts of flags and banners and making the place look tacky. All it would take is a change to the rules to exclude the American flag from them - unfortunately, as soon as they do that, everyone else that wants to fly a flag will challenge it.

[Laz116]

Originally Posted by dsvick

I'm not a fan of his either and I end up doing that with people all the time. From the "he's a muslim", to "he didn't shake hands with people at a diplomatic function", to "he bows to everyone", then there is the muslim stamp he authorized, and his lack of citizenship, and on and on.... I mostly get them from people who blindly pass them on, ironically it is often with a warning that is something like - don't let them pull the wool over your hides.

The thing that pisses me off regarding the flag flying issue is that everyone that said is for purely economic reasons is correct. The association doesn't want everyone to start flying all sorts of flags and banners and making the place look tacky. All it would take is a change to the rules to exclude the American flag from them - unfortunately, as soon as they do that, everyone else that wants to fly a flag will challenge it.

Almost in agreement... but shouldn't everyone be allowed to fly whatever flag they like. Isn't it ridiculous with such prohibitions in the first place?

Freedom of speech and all.

[Ham88]

Originally Posted by Laz116

Almost in agreement... but shouldn't everyone be allowed to fly whatever flag they like. Isn't it ridiculous with such prohibitions in the first place?

Freedom of speech and all.

What he said.

Anyway the point I was making was that making a company rule that says you can't display the american flag is stupid, anyone who would be offended by such a display really should find a new country to live in, seeing as you're likely to see the flag a lot. Personally I don't see anything wrong with displaying any flag you like in your window.

[Laz116]

Originally Posted by Ham88

What he said.

Anyway the point I was making was that making a company rule that says you can't display the american flag is stupid, anyone who would be offended by such a display really should find a new country to live in, seeing as you're likely to see the flag a lot. Personally I don't see anything wrong with displaying any flag you like in your window.

Then we are in agreement. My point was solely that the companies enforcing such ridiculous rules are the culprits. There's no need or reason to blame it on the muslim or anyone else.

[Ham88]

Originally Posted by Laz116

Then we are in agreement. My point was solely that the companies enforcing such ridiculous rules are the culprits. There's no need or reason to blame it on the muslim or anyone else.

Yeah I don't really get why Muslims were brought up.