Firmware 2.7 is out!!!!!!!!! - Page 2

scotty1024 · 10-16-2006, 05:25 PM

I've gotten no onscreen feedback about the zoomer.

So far I'm not too impressed with their zoom support. You can zoom, you can rotate, but when you try to flip through the PDF whilst zoomed and rotated?

There's no overlap and part of the text is missing, at least I've never been able to get it to make a clean cut.

Yes it zooms, but I thought the point was to make documents useful? Not bits of pages. Anyone else figured this out?

harryo · 10-16-2006, 05:33 PM

Sorry. I just realised it's actually greyed out in the PDF viewer. It seems to be available in the directory listing and I'm guessing it's the new rename facility, although I haven't actually tried clicking it yet.

harryo · 10-16-2006, 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scotty1024

I've gotten no onscreen feedback about the zoomer.

So far I'm not too impressed with their zoom support. You can zoom, you can rotate, but when you try to flip through the PDF whilst zoomed and rotated?

There's no overlap and part of the text is missing, at least I've never been able to get it to make a clean cut.

Yes it zooms, but I thought the point was to make documents useful? Not bits of pages. Anyone else figured this out?

It's definitely not perfect. However, I found that if I zoom in and then use the pan facility, it's quite reasonable.

One thing that would be helpful would be if they had a small replica in the status area showing you what portion of the page you were viewing (a tiny facsimile of the page would be even nicer).

That would allow for more accurate panning. I find I'm always having to do a couple of pans each time I want to move around, because I'm running blind.

All in all, though, while it can use some work, it's much better than not having the zoom function

!!

tribble · 10-16-2006, 05:54 PM

the zoom is handled quite confusingly atm. Read here to get some clarification, what makes it so weird:
http://forum.irexnet.com/viewtopic.php?t=548&highlight=

And panning is quite easy. Click on a point of the page, and drag it to some other place. Thats where it will end up. Thats nice.

@scotty: read the suggestion on the iRex forum, there is a description of a "page width" mode.

rlauzon · 10-16-2006, 05:55 PM

As I expected, PDF zoom and pan is nearly useless. Unless the eBook just has big margins, you are panning all over to read the text. Selecting the zoom area is more than a bit "hit or miss", but with a little practice, I should be able to select the area I want. The same goes for panning - no visual cue as to how much you are moving, but with a little practice, I can overcome that.

However, there's no visual cue for how much of the real page you are seeing - something may be off the top/bottom of the zoomed page, but you would have no idea that it's there.

For reading eBooks zoom and pan is useless. There may be some eBooks where zoom and pan come in handy, but I haven't seen them. All of my "too big for the iLiad" eBooks are still unreadable only now because I have to pan to get the whole page, or not zoom as much and the text is too small to read.

The landscape mode is nice. My issues of Tux Magazine are more readable. So that's a plus.

I did notice that the pages are rendering faster. So that's nice.

I tried the rename feature and that worked OK. A bit cumbersome, but I wouldn't use it often, so I don't care about that.

But now my pen sometimes doesn't work. It looks like it might be an internal switch issue (the iLiad doesn't know that the pen is out). I rarely use the pen.

I haven't tried the locking feature yet (I really don't care, and with my pen being the way it is, I'm afraid to try it for fear of not being able to unlock it).

I also notice that I have 2 black lines that run down the sides of the screen that weren't there before the upgrade. The true page size maybe? If so, I can make my eBook margins a little larger. 8-)

I can't tell for sure, but it seems that my HTML/Picture books look better - more clear. These are just HTML pages with one big JPG on it.

Handwriting recognition works nicely (which says alot seeing how bad my handwriting is).

I didn't see any features that broke. The HTML documents that I have that display the time on the iLiad and do a slideshow still work fine. Battery life seems very good (I'll give it a good test tomorrow).

So 2.7 seems to be a definite improvement over 2.6.1.

scotty1024 · 10-16-2006, 06:02 PM

So the toe tag is incorrectly named: rename file. You can read about it in 8.2.2.1 of the User Manual.

It's actually a manifest.xml editor that lets you edit two of the tags (I guess why it has the tag icon): Title and Description.

If a "file" doesn't have a manifest.xml? You can't edit it.

If you can't get the iLiad to convert it to have a manifest.xml, you can't edit it.

Need to rename a file on a MMC/CF/USB? You won't be using this feature.

tribble · 10-16-2006, 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rlauzon

Selecting the zoom area is more than a bit "hit or miss", but with a little practice, I should be able to select the area I want.

read this to understand:
http://forum.irexnet.com/viewtopic.php?t=548&highlight=

Quote:

The same goes for panning - no visual cue as to how much you are moving, but with a little practice, I can overcome that.

click on a point of the page, drag it to the place you want it, and thats where it will end up. Just like putting your finger on a piece of paper und moving the paper with the finger.

Quote:

However, there's no visual cue for how much of the real page you are seeing - something may be off the top/bottom of the zoomed page, but you would have no idea that it's there.

True.

Quote:

For reading eBooks zoom and pan is useless.

Not for me. the zoom gets remembered, so i can use the zoom, to remove unwanted margins and then flip through the book.

For half page reading in landscape mode, there would have to be some special mode, so you can use the flipbar to move through the pages

Quote:

I did notice that the pages are rendering faster. So that's nice.

Yap, the are quite a bit faster.

Quote:

I also notice that I have 2 black lines that run down the sides of the screen that weren't there before the upgrade. The true page size maybe? If so, I can make my eBook margins a little larger. 8-)

They show the page border. It would be good if they would not show in full page mode.

rlauzon · 10-16-2006, 06:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tribble

read this to understand:

I did, but without a visual cue, it's still hit or miss.

Quote:

Originally Posted by tribble

click on a point of the page, drag it to the place you want it, and thats where it will end up. Just like putting your finger on a piece of paper und moving the paper with the finger.

Same thing, but less hit or miss since I have a much better cue as to what's going on.

Quote:

Originally Posted by tribble

Not for me. the zoom gets remembered, so i can use the zoom, to remove unwanted margins and then flip through the book.

Again, if the eBook is not formatted for the iLiad, zoom and pan do nothing useful. Only if the content was formatted for something close to the iLiad and they padded the margins to make the page 8.5x11" does zoom offer anything useful - which doesn't apply to any PDF that I currently own.

scotty1024 · 10-16-2006, 06:52 PM

Faster PDF rendering (still slow on my Jack Rabbit test though), less ghosting...

They appear to have changed the default font face in Minimo into something I'm finding pretty hard to read. I need to mod my RFC tool already to make the RFC's read-able again.

tribble · 10-17-2006, 02:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rlauzon

I did, but without a visual cue, it's still hit or miss.

Well, at the moment, you are right, butt if they change the behavior of the zoom, to maximize the bounding box of the drawn shape to fill the screen in tha largest possible way, the you will not need a visual confirmation anymore.

[quoe]Same thing, but less hit or miss since I have a much better cue as to what's going on.[/quote]

OK, i found it quite intuitive.

Quote:

Again, if the eBook is not formatted for the iLiad, zoom and pan do nothing useful. Only if the content was formatted for something close to the iLiad and they padded the margins to make the page 8.5x11" does zoom offer anything useful - which doesn't apply to any PDF that I currently own.

hmm, maybe my eyes are better, but i can read most A4 pages now, when i can crop them without the need to do it on my computer.

But to make it really useful, we need that page width mode.

TadW · 10-17-2006, 03:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tribble

@scotty: read the suggestion on the iRex forum, there is a description of a "page width" mode.

For those who are not frequent visitors at the iRex forum (like myself), here is tribble's answer:

Quote:

Ok, for those of you, that are wondering, why their zooms seem so random, comes a little explanation on how the zoom mechanism works:

1. you darw some shape on the screen.
2. a bounding box is calculated.
3. the length diagonal of that bounding box is compared to the diagonal of the screen, and that ratio is used as zoom ratio. If your diagonal has a significantly different angle, than that of the zoom seems quite random.
4. the bounding box center is centered on the screen and zoomed to the calculated ratio.
5. screen refresh

Also the maximum zoom level is at about 140% at the moment in respect to the papersize of the document.
So you can zoom only to 140% from page fit with a 122x149mm document, but you can zoom into more detail, if the same information is on a 244x298mm document.

I hope, i lifeted your confusion.

If you want to try for yourself:
Just dra along any of the black line and you will end up with about the grey area as zoom window.
http://www.cogitatio.de/downloads/il...nal-bigger.pdf
here youll get to see the full grey area (file size 244x298)
http://www.cogitatio.de/downloads/iliad-diagonal.pdf
here you almost get to see the full grey area(122x149)

Now try in landscape mode Smile

TadW · 10-17-2006, 03:52 AM

@tribble: has iRex hired you? It seems as if you are doing their job now (considering that it's not them but you who usually answers to customer questions in the iRex forums).

tribble · 10-17-2006, 04:06 AM

Hehe, no, i wish. I think i would love to work with them. I always wanted to work with eink technology. Maybe i should apply for the embedded systems developer position. Havent done anything like it yet, but i am a quick study

I just answer all the questions to the best of my knowledge, so that the iRex people can keep working on improving the device

CommanderROR · 10-17-2006, 04:27 AM

Software 2.7 is out and I didn't recieve a notification email...what is the world coming to...^^

I just found out after I visited the Forum for my daily breakfast-reading that it's all abuzz with excitement about the new version...:-)

Mambo · 10-17-2006, 04:28 AM

Guys, as I understand so far Irex developers got this far with the zooming facility. They have released it for 2.7, but in the future there will be improvements, new features, fine tuning relevant to zooming and then it will be really usable.
Now they only showed us that they are able to do it, so that we can start waiting for the next version.

10-16-2006, 05:54 PM	#19
tribble iLiad Maniac Posts: 1,382 Karma: 2369 Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Germany Device: Bookeen Opus (i love that thing) and iPad (what an irony)	the zoom is handled quite confusingly atm. Read here to get some clarification, what makes it so weird: http://forum.irexnet.com/viewtopic.php?t=548&highlight= And panning is quite easy. Click on a point of the page, and drag it to some other place. Thats where it will end up. Thats nice. @scotty: read the suggestion on the iRex forum, there is a description of a "page width" mode. Last edited by tribble; 10-16-2006 at 05:56 PM.

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10-16-2006, 05:25 PM	#16
scotty1024 Banned Posts: 1,300 Karma: 1479 Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Peoples Republic of Washington Device: Reader / iPhone / Librie / Kindle	I've gotten no onscreen feedback about the zoomer. So far I'm not too impressed with their zoom support. You can zoom, you can rotate, but when you try to flip through the PDF whilst zoomed and rotated? There's no overlap and part of the text is missing, at least I've never been able to get it to make a clean cut. Yes it zooms, but I thought the point was to make documents useful? Not bits of pages. Anyone else figured this out?

10-16-2006, 05:33 PM	#17
harryo Enthusiast Posts: 34 Karma: 10 Join Date: Aug 2006 Device: Palm Tungsten TX / Iliad	Sorry. I just realised it's actually greyed out in the PDF viewer. It seems to be available in the directory listing and I'm guessing it's the new rename facility, although I haven't actually tried clicking it yet.

10-16-2006, 05:55 PM	#20
rlauzon Wizard Posts: 1,018 Karma: 67827 Join Date: Jan 2005 Device: PocketBook Era	As I expected, PDF zoom and pan is nearly useless. Unless the eBook just has big margins, you are panning all over to read the text. Selecting the zoom area is more than a bit "hit or miss", but with a little practice, I should be able to select the area I want. The same goes for panning - no visual cue as to how much you are moving, but with a little practice, I can overcome that. However, there's no visual cue for how much of the real page you are seeing - something may be off the top/bottom of the zoomed page, but you would have no idea that it's there. For reading eBooks zoom and pan is useless. There may be some eBooks where zoom and pan come in handy, but I haven't seen them. All of my "too big for the iLiad" eBooks are still unreadable only now because I have to pan to get the whole page, or not zoom as much and the text is too small to read. The landscape mode is nice. My issues of Tux Magazine are more readable. So that's a plus. I did notice that the pages are rendering faster. So that's nice. I tried the rename feature and that worked OK. A bit cumbersome, but I wouldn't use it often, so I don't care about that. But now my pen sometimes doesn't work. It looks like it might be an internal switch issue (the iLiad doesn't know that the pen is out). I rarely use the pen. I haven't tried the locking feature yet (I really don't care, and with my pen being the way it is, I'm afraid to try it for fear of not being able to unlock it). I also notice that I have 2 black lines that run down the sides of the screen that weren't there before the upgrade. The true page size maybe? If so, I can make my eBook margins a little larger. 8-) I can't tell for sure, but it seems that my HTML/Picture books look better - more clear. These are just HTML pages with one big JPG on it. Handwriting recognition works nicely (which says alot seeing how bad my handwriting is). I didn't see any features that broke. The HTML documents that I have that display the time on the iLiad and do a slideshow still work fine. Battery life seems very good (I'll give it a good test tomorrow). So 2.7 seems to be a definite improvement over 2.6.1.

10-16-2006, 06:02 PM	#21
scotty1024 Banned Posts: 1,300 Karma: 1479 Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Peoples Republic of Washington Device: Reader / iPhone / Librie / Kindle	So the toe tag is incorrectly named: rename file. You can read about it in 8.2.2.1 of the User Manual. It's actually a manifest.xml editor that lets you edit two of the tags (I guess why it has the tag icon): Title and Description. If a "file" doesn't have a manifest.xml? You can't edit it. If you can't get the iLiad to convert it to have a manifest.xml, you can't edit it. Need to rename a file on a MMC/CF/USB? You won't be using this feature.

10-16-2006, 06:52 PM	#24
scotty1024 Banned Posts: 1,300 Karma: 1479 Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Peoples Republic of Washington Device: Reader / iPhone / Librie / Kindle	Faster PDF rendering (still slow on my Jack Rabbit test though), less ghosting... They appear to have changed the default font face in Minimo into something I'm finding pretty hard to read. I need to mod my RFC tool already to make the RFC's read-able again.

10-17-2006, 03:52 AM	#27
TadW Uebermensch Posts: 2,583 Karma: 1094606 Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Italy Device: Kindle	@tribble: has iRex hired you? It seems as if you are doing their job now (considering that it's not them but you who usually answers to customer questions in the iRex forums).

10-17-2006, 04:06 AM	#28
tribble iLiad Maniac Posts: 1,382 Karma: 2369 Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Germany Device: Bookeen Opus (i love that thing) and iPad (what an irony)	Hehe, no, i wish. I think i would love to work with them. I always wanted to work with eink technology. Maybe i should apply for the embedded systems developer position. Havent done anything like it yet, but i am a quick study I just answer all the questions to the best of my knowledge, so that the iRex people can keep working on improving the device

10-17-2006, 04:27 AM	#29
CommanderROR eink fanatic Posts: 2,022 Karma: 4924 Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Germany Device: STAReBOOK, iRex Iliad, Sony 505, Kindle 2	Software 2.7 is out and I didn't recieve a notification email...what is the world coming to...^^ I just found out after I visited the Forum for my daily breakfast-reading that it's all abuzz with excitement about the new version...:-)

10-17-2006, 04:28 AM	#30
Mambo Gadget fan Posts: 147 Karma: 3968 Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: London Device: RM Tablet PC, iLiad, PRS 505, iPod Touch	Guys, as I understand so far Irex developers got this far with the zooming facility. They have released it for 2.7, but in the future there will be improvements, new features, fine tuning relevant to zooming and then it will be really usable. Now they only showed us that they are able to do it, so that we can start waiting for the next version.

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