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Old 06-06-2010, 03:26 PM   #16
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I find serifs more pleasing to the eye. And just as there are tone deaf people who don't understand why someone would want to listen to good music on an expensive stereo, there are people who can not differentiate between what is clearly in front of them.
I know what you mean. I was born with perfect pitch. For a musician, it's a gift. For me, it's a curse.

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Why not just spit in the face of professional publishers everywhere.
Here's the thing. People have never complaint about the number of font options when there were only paper books. Since you only get 1 font option with a paper book...

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People get paid to format books so that, when you buy a hardcover, it doesn't look like the garbage you see in many of the ebook files that circulate the internet.
Really? Is that why books are overpriced?

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Part of that process is selecting a font, and IT MATTERS to some people. Just as you have your opinion about not caring what font you're reading, other people have their opinion of being annoyed by crap-tastic fonts, or worse; bad formatting. Arial and Verdana aren't bad, but I prefer Andalus.
And thank goodness, we have a capitalist system in place in which we can choose not to buy a product that doesn't have what we want.

If you prefer Andalus, then don't buy the JBL. When I bought it, I knew exactly what I was getting. I only complain about technical things that the device did not live up to its reputation.

When you complain about the lack of number of fonts available, it's like buying red lipstick and then complain that you only like black.


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Just appreciate the fact the JBL actually offers functionality that people want (actually, Open Office does!), namely, the ability to define their own aesthetics. I'll never understand people like yourself with that 'closed source, my way or the highway' attitude.
It's not my way or the high way. I'm a techie and I have to deal everyday with people who spend the least amount of money possible and then complain about all the options they don't get. Just last week, there was a woman who wanted to spend only $150 on a new computer, and that included my fee. She told me exactly what she wanted to do with the computer. So, I bought her a pentium 4 2.8 ghz processor and a mother board and used her old tower and cannibalized everything else from her old system. Personally, I think this was a bargain for her. A few days later, she called and complained that her son couldn't play such and such games. Do you get where I'm getting at? They never mentioned to me that they wanted to play those stupid 3-D games on it.

You get what you pay for. Just buy a kindle or something.

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While you're at it... Ask yourself why other fonts even exist. In your world, Arial would be plastered on every sign, every company logo, every web page, and children would be beaten if their handwriting did not conform exactly to Arial specifications. That is the essence of the argument I am getting from you.
No, the essence of argument I'm making is what you see is what you get. My girl friend told me this months ago. Even a computer illiterate like her understood this concept. If I wanted a dude, I would have gone to a gay bar. Or better yet, I would have gone to rentboy.com. I'm not going to get a girlfriend and then complain about anatomy...
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Old 06-06-2010, 09:09 PM   #17
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Post Lets just agree to disagree

I really don't understand where you're coming from on this. I bought the JBL, love the JBL, and have already succeeded in putting the font that I want to use on it (see screenshot above).

We're having a nice discussion about how people can do this if they want, right now, and you come in like the buzz-kill police telling us we should have bought an inferior product for more money just to do something we can already do with the JBL (and open office).

I'm not complaining that I want a Kindle, I've used both and prefer the JBL. You just don't seem to get it. If the device is easily capable of something (like additional fonts), people with the know how will find a way to make it do what they want. And we've already succeeded, we have a way to get our fonts onto the device! All this entirely without your help. In fact, all you've done is denounce the effort from the beginning. What point are you trying to make?

If I were asking for wifi on this thing, you would have a point. The hardware is not capable of wifi (although with a usb port it is trivial to add the ability). You would be angry with someone for buying a GPS unit to use in their car and you would suggest to them that they buy a Rolls Royce because they come with a GPS installed. WTF man?

As it stands, you just don't make sense. You seem unwilling or unable to understand what this device is capable of. You don't have the slightest understanding of the hacking community and mindset, apparently.

Would you be the first person to shoot down gr8npwrfl's 'Android on jetBook' project? Would you tell him he should have just bought a Droid Incredible, even after he had managed to get Android running on a jetBook? Because that is exactly what you're doing here.

As a counter point to your strange argument, I suggest that you "go buy a Kindle or something", because you lack the knowledge necessary to hack the JBL. Do you see what kind of nonsense argument you're making?

And by the way, other than this strange neurosis you have about dictating what people should and should not be doing with their bought and paid for device, I generally find your contributions to the forum helpful.
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I guess I don't understand the point of what you're doing since I'm a speed reader and couldn't care less what the font is as long as I can read. If it makes you happy to hit the page turn button 10 times more often, I say go for it.
The point is simple, he is formatting a book in a font he likes at a font size he likes for the ereader he likes, how is it this simple fact is escaping you.

You did notice the JBL has a size 32 font? I bet it isn't there for show and many people use it so they can avoid using reading glasses.

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Here's the thing. People have never complaint about the number of font options when there were only paper books. Since you only get 1 font option with a paper book...
First off he never complained about the font options, are you even reading what he is writing? He did state that he liked a certain font, that's sort of the opposite of complaining.

Also did you note that he isn't just formatting for font type but also font size. Virtually every book can be purchased with large fonts.

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And thank goodness, we have a capitalist system in place in which we can choose not to buy a product that doesn't have what we want.

If you prefer Andalus, then don't buy the JBL. When I bought it, I knew exactly what I was getting.
He bought the product knowing full well he could format any book the way he wanted it to the size of the JBL and read it on the JBL. He wasn't limited in his thinking that the device was restricted to what was on the side of the box.

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I only complain about technical things that the device did not live up to its reputation.
Right now you are complaining/whining about another happy user of the JBL creating books for the JBL that suit his purpose.

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When you complain about the lack of number of fonts available, it's like buying red lipstick and then complain that you only like black.
Now you're talking nonsense. He hasn't complained about the number of fonts and your example is complete rubbish.

He is saying Hey Everyone! I bought a box of crayons that claimed to hold only one color but with this free tool I was easily able to get it to hold any color I want.

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You get what you pay for.
Exactly you get what you pay for and he paid for a ereader that, with a free tool, does play all of those 3D games, or weren't you paying attention?

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No, the essence of argument I'm making is what you see is what you get.
The essence of your argument is ode to skunk. You have been so far off the mark .....

The last part is the bottom line what you see is what you get. He saw a ereader at an amazing price that would do so much more then was advertised. For the life of me I have no idea what you saw.

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Old 06-07-2010, 07:27 PM   #19
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Ok, I jumped the gun and so I apologize. Happy pdfing.
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I guess I would also need to offer "Mazer" an apology, as I probably lumped him in with
a number of those who seemed to be complaining about the JBL's lack of font choices,
as if a wide choice of fonts were something that all ereaders should be expected to have. That any ereader that didn't have many font choices was deficient or lacking in
a required and expected capability.

https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=86162

As it turns out he, "Mazer", has even gone to the trouble to create a nice video
demonstrating how easy the process can be, to create a .pdf with the fonts
and features he wanted, that the JBL can display nicely. So, I shouldn't have also,
assumed he was one of the whiners who complain if a device doesn't function exactly
as they expect or wish it would. He obviously is clever enough to find a way to get the
most out of what he has to work with, in this case the JBL.

As "livingenzyme" can attest, Ectaco has been know to take an interest and reward
such efforts when it is brought to their attention.

Luck;
Ken

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Old 06-08-2010, 11:40 PM   #21
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Mazer-- I'm 100% on your side.

Here (attached) is one of the templates I use- the text is fairly large with a serif font. I had to compress it as a zip file since this forum does not accept uploads of odt files.

Unzip it, open it in Open Office, delete the sample text, paste in your own text, and export as a pdf with a new name. Make sure pdf is in the dropdown and not fdf. Also, you might have to select-all and use their Times (or other) font- I only happen to have Times New Roman (True Type font) from some add-on I found somewhere, but it does not come with OO Writer.

One other thing, when you read the pdf book on the JBL, press the upper left button and select #2- Full Screen. Otherwise you lose your margins and it cuts halfway into the last line on each page. You should only have to make this selection once.
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null and void, as they say

Update:

The opening post on this thread is now null and void. I did a fresh install of Ubuntu's latest release with the latest Open Office Writer word processor, and I am getting consistent, high quality pdfs in any font I want. It is OO ver. 3.2. I cannot vouch for how well the Windoze version will work, but it's probably OK.

eBooks that look like BOOKS, and not a Commodore 64 screen!
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The opening post on this thread is now null and void. I did a fresh install of Ubuntu's latest release with the latest Open Office Writer word processor, and I am getting consistent, high quality pdfs in any font I want. It is OO ver. 3.2. I cannot vouch for how well the Windoze version will work, but it's probably OK.

eBooks that look like BOOKS, and not a Commodore 64 screen!
Go to the first post and edit it.

Surround obsolete info with line out tags.

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[ strike ] Test [ /strike ]   Test 
Remove the spaces in the brackets and you get a line through your words.

Then update your new findings.
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A good posting lesson, however I was quick to jump onboard the new releases and this issue may still exist for other users. If they read through all the posts, they'll find that an Ubuntu/Open Office update brings a fix with it. So I guess it is not really null and void for the versions I was using at the time I posted it.
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Is "Open Office" being used because you are not running a Windows OS or you don't utilize Word?

My base question is, can you accomplish the same formatting with MS Word?
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I've had the above question answered in another thread - disregard plz.
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