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Old 03-12-2010, 07:54 PM   #16
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Old 03-13-2010, 05:05 AM   #17
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No need to be a jerk . It's not a different situation. Proprietary DRM is proprietary DRM. Amazon not only avoided epub, they also obviously didn't want to license DRM from Adobe since they came up with their own. At least Apple is using epub and we don't know what DRM scheme publishing companies will require.
I wasn't being a jerk, but your need to try and defend Apple is more than a little excessive at times, the iPad does lots of things really well, but it is not perfect and anyone defending it as if it was just seems like they need to get some perspective as defending the bad points weakens your arguments on all the good points because people will assume you would automatically defend anything.

The situation with ePub was very different back when the Kindle came out, it was not the most popular form factor unlike now where it has become the defacto standard on every device besides the kindle now.

Apple using ePub is a good thing, allowing people to synch drm-free ePubs is a good thing, using another incompatible DRM scheme for ePub is a bad thing and trying to defend that is silly.
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Old 03-13-2010, 05:15 AM   #18
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Not having to pay Adobe for each ebook sold is probably a sensible thing. For Amazon, having its own ebook format there is no advantage in Adobe's DRM. Compatibility is only useful for the whole package: file format + DRM. For Apple it is different as they use ePub. If they would use Adobe's DRM, their ebooks would be compatible with other publishers and ereaders. But maybe they don't want that, as they want to sell iPads.

That said, DRM keeps being evil, and certainly if it is controlled by one company. (Can you say `monopoly'?)
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There's no real downside for Apple for their books to not be accessible elsewhere since it helps to lock in their customers, but the lack of support for reading books with adobe drm harms them because it makes people with larger collections less likely to switch if it would mean abandoning all their previous purchases.

While stripping drm is an option for more technical people, it probably isn't something that the majority of people would want to do and you would think that a demographic of fairly non-technical people that buy books regularly would be a useful segment of the market for the iPad.
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There's no real downside for Apple for their books to not be accessible elsewhere since it helps to lock in their customers, but the lack of support for reading books with adobe drm harms them because it makes people with larger collections less likely to switch if it would mean abandoning all their previous purchases.
The txtr app on the iPhone supports Adobe DRM epub.
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Excellent spot - let's hope the roll the software out to non-US locations before they get the stores there.

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Should be easy enough to get the ibooks app even if you aren't in the US. Just need to create a US itunes account and then you can 'shop' at the US app store. I've done this a number of times with my iphone apps.

The down side is, you now have 2 itunes accounts and you can't update software from one account while logged into the other account (though apps from all accounts display on the same 'page' in itunes and work fine on your device (regardless of which account is synced with the device).

Of course, actually buying books from the US store becomes difficult. You need a credit card with US address or a US itunes gift card.

For me (I'm in Canada), I don't plan on buying any books from Apple. And now that it is confirmed you can load non drm epub books, I am likely all in on the ipad.
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Should be easy enough to get the ibooks app even if you aren't in the US. Just need to create a US itunes account and then you can 'shop' at the US app store. I've done this a number of times with my iphone apps.
The other downside is that with two accounts, you'll be constantly wiping out stuff on your device because the device can only sync to one account. It's better to just wait until iBooks launches in other markets or continue using one of the other already available reader apps.
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Old 03-13-2010, 01:02 PM   #23
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The other downside is that with two accounts, you'll be constantly wiping out stuff on your device because the device can only sync to one account. It's better to just wait until iBooks launches in other markets or continue using one of the other already available reader apps.
You can have apps from multiple accounts on your device at the same time. the device is more tied to your computer than your itunes account.

I do this all the time on my iphone. I have apps from 2 accounts (2 different itunes stores) on my phone at the same time.

When you are in Itunes you can choose to sync any app that has been downloaded, regardless of the itunes account it was downloaded from.

Like I said, it just becomes an issue on updates for the app. As to update, you have to physically be signed into the account used when the app was downloaded. This is not a big deal, but is a bit of a pain.

I agree, ideally you get ibooks from your country of origin, but I'm sure not waiting for that to happen if I can easily get it from the US store.

Now, when ibooks does become available in Canada, I will likely download it from the Canadian store - at which point I will have to delete the US one and thus lose all my setting and such. But, for me, that is a minor inconvenience to having ibooks right away.
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Old 03-13-2010, 02:22 PM   #24
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The thing that amuses me is Apple saying you can load any "free" EPUB. How do they know if you got an EPUB free or if you paid for it? Does this mean you can load a Baen Free Library book but not a Webscription one? Obviously not.

"Free" was obviously the best way Apple could come up with to say "DRM-free" (given that obviously most free e-books are also DRM-free) without mentioning the dread buzz-kill word "DRM".

So even Apple knows that consumers don't like to hear about DRM. Heh.
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The thing that amuses me is Apple saying you can load any "free" EPUB. How do they know if you got an EPUB free or if you paid for it? Does this mean you can load a Baen Free Library book but not a Webscription one? Obviously not.

"Free" was obviously the best way Apple could come up with to say "DRM-free" (given that obviously most free e-books are also DRM-free) without mentioning the dread buzz-kill word "DRM".

So even Apple knows that consumers don't like to hear about DRM. Heh.

I don't care how they say it, as long as they are letting me put my own books on the device.
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Maybe that's free as in `free speech', not as in `free beer'. Or maybe `free read'.
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Maybe that's free as in `free speech', not as in `free beer'. Or maybe `free read'.
Hmmm...."free speech" implies without restriction/limitation. So yeah, I get you. ePubs without restriction/limitation, not ePubs without cost. Even so, Apple couldn't say DRM-free.
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I think it's reaching a little to expect Apple to expect people reading the page to come to that conclusion.
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