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Well, yeah, I agree about the kids and kids movies, mine did too, but I personally just rarely re-watch and if I do then it's because Tivo caught it or I intentionally rent it from the movie store. No need to store them or spend money etc. Books I feel a bit different about as I do tend to collect them even if I don't re-read them and the ones I enjoy I tend to have multiple copies of -- particularly true since I've been e-reading as I have bought pbooks of the ebooks I enjoy!
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Actually one of the things I like about e-books is that I can keep them without having to build/buy more bookshelves! So I find I have started re-reading some of my favorite series even though I have to buy them again--not having kept the original paperbacks. Since for many of them, it's been a long time, and my memory is not what it used to be--it's like spending time with an old friend. There's only a slight feeling of deja vue as I'm reading. And sometimes, some of the oldies are free or fairly cheap. I'm thinking, since storage isn't a problem anymore, I might be re-reading my old books more. So having access to my e-books is important to me. And yes, I wish they'd get rid of drm! If I buy an e-book file, it should be mine as long as I want to keep it, and it shouldn't be tied to a limited number of devices. I don't mind that I can't resell it or give it away, as long as I can share with family. In a perfect world, I should be able to read it on my Nook, or my iPod Touch, or my Sony, or my Kindle.
But alas, it's not a perfect world. And for now, I'm fairly content with my Kindle and Amazon. That being said, if I have a choice between getting my sci-fi from Amazon or Baen Books--I choose Baen Books. Not only because they're generally cheaper, but because there's no drm. I'm confident I'll still be able to read my Baen books even on my 7th Kindle device. |
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![]() They will watch the same movie over and over and over ad nauseum until you know the lines by heart. Plus..classic like the older Disney movies, "JungleBook", Snow White, Cinderella, etc, should be a mainstay of any collection............ Oh..........that and "Christmas Story" There's another reason. They never play seasonal movies when I'm able to sit and watch peacefully........I'm going to put A Charlie Brown Christmas in sometime this week and watch at my convenience.........and no commericals...... But thats just me. ![]() |
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If my house burns down with my Kindle in it and the Amazon servers blow up, THEN I will lose my ephemeral objects known as ebooks hehe.
They don't really call us 'anti-copyright activists' do they? I think publishers might call most of those pesky consumers ant-copyright activists if we oppose terrible DRM implementations which strip traditional ownership rights on e-books. |
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Can you imagine Mario leading to the kind of upheavel that Karl Marx's Das Kapital did? What game evokes the controversy of Harper Lee's To Kill a Mockingbird or led to industrial reform like Upton Sinclair's The Jungle did? Or even caused the soul searching of Dalton Trumbo's Johnny Got His Gun? |
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![]() But seriously, I'm not trying to draw an equivalence between the social or intellectual value of video games and books. Nor does the asserted inferiority of the medium matter. My point is that there isn't a great deal of protest about format obsolescence with digital products in general. People aren't completely up in arms that a game they paid $50 for a few years ago won't work on their current consoles. (Similarly, when we transitioned from 78s to 33 1/3 vinyl to CD's, the presumption that a vinyl record entitled one to a free CD didn't exactly take root; i.e. ownership does not always guarantee lifetime access to the cultural product.) There are also many valid reasons to "treasure" a game from an earlier time, by the way, ranging from nostalgia to good ol' playability. P.S., I'm not 16, and there are plenty of middle-aged people who grew up with video games. I don't think this is a "generational" issue, it's a question of why X is a huge concern with one medium but not an issue at all with another. Quote:
Plenty of books that outsell Ulysses by an order of magnitude can also be characterized as "mind numbing." And many games can actually be both intellectually challenging (e.g. Myst) or involve elements of social connection and cooperation. On a separate note, I have to say that viewing the ownership of books as a key element to their value is slightly absurd, given the huge value and contributions of a rather temporary method of accessing a book -- namely, the library. |
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Licensing, like DRM, reduces the value of the content to me - drastically. (And I'll insist on the laws surrounding a service be followed as well, if you insist on selling it to me as a service...hi Amazon!) Last edited by DawnFalcon; 12-16-2009 at 12:07 AM. |
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Books have always been forever. You bought a book and assuming you treated it right you could re-read it your whole life. When I was a kid my grandparents gave me boxes and boxes of books that were originally my mom's when she was a kid -- a complete set of Nancy Drew's up until she outgrew them, a set of Dana Girls and the Bobbsey Twins and others I can't remember. I still have those books and they are still readable now, 45-55 years later. I don't mind paying once for an ebook that I already own a pbook copy of - I consider it the equivalent of wanting both the paperback and the hardback. However it is ridiculous to ask me to pay again and again if I just want to change the device I'm reading it on. It's the same book -- the same content -- and I already paid for it. That's why I strip all DRM, convert everything to epub and back them up both on a second hard drive and online. Once I own a pbook I can do anything I want with it. I can read it a bazillion times or just once. I can even *gasp* lend it to a friend who then gets to read it for free. If the author changes publishers or the book goes out of print, my copy is still mine. Forever. In a non-DRM'ed and non-proprietary format. That's what I want and expect from my ebooks. -Marcy |
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