PRS-600 today I decided to return my PRS-600 - Page 2

lisreed · 09-08-2009, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by RWood

I have a 500 and there is a reflection on it too. There is a reflection on the 505 as well. We get over it and learn to adjust the unit so we do not see the reflection. When I have used them in the stores, I did not find the 300/505/600/700 distraction any more of a problem that the reflection on the 500. I just had become accustomed to the reflection on the 500.

For me, the 600/700 did not have as sharp a screen as the 300/500/505 and the 300/505 screens were sharper than the 500 screen.

There is very little glare on the 505 or 300 or anyother ebook reader that does not have a touchscreen. It really does give you a paper like feel to it which is the point of e-ink. There is never a time when I see my reflection looking back at me why I try to read like the 600 does. Touchscreens add an extra layer. You just got to decide if those extra features are worth the loss of clarity and the glare. This could be avoided if more than just amazon was willing to put a keyboard on the device to give you the extra features.

komugi · 09-08-2009, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by lisreed

There is very little glare on the 505 or 300 or anyother ebook reader that does not have a touchscreen. It really does give you a paper like feel to it which is the point of e-ink. There is never a time when I see my reflection looking back at me why I try to read like the 600 does. Touchscreens add an extra layer. You just got to decide if those extra features are worth the loss of clarity and the glare. This could be avoided if more than just amazon was willing to put a keyboard on the device to give you the extra features.

For an eBook Reader, I would rather have a touch screen than keyboard, simply because I would want the device as small as possible.

Though, I am returning my PRS-600 for other reasons

DrMoze · 09-08-2009, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by komugi

For an eBook Reader, I would rather have a touch screen than keyboard, simply because I would want the device as small as possible.

For an ebook Reader, I would want neither because I just want to READ!

I have computers and netbooks and blackberries if I want to input text, surf the web, etc. One of the things I really like about the Readers (500,505, and 300) is that they are simple, and made primarily for selecting and reading text-based books. (The menu bars and other options on the 600 were a turn-off for me when I played around with it.)

DougFNJ · 09-08-2009, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by komugi

For an eBook Reader, I would rather have a touch screen than keyboard, simply because I would want the device as small as possible.

Though, I am returning my PRS-600 for other reasons

Mind if I ask the reasons?

Just curious if you had any technical issues or something?

komugi · 09-08-2009, 08:01 PM

Nah, its not technical issues, more usability issues.
I've outlined my reasons in another post here:
https://www.mobileread.com/forums/sho...2&postcount=56

JSWolf · 09-08-2009, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by lisreed

There is very little glare on the 505 or 300 or anyother ebook reader that does not have a touchscreen. It really does give you a paper like feel to it which is the point of e-ink. There is never a time when I see my reflection looking back at me why I try to read like the 600 does. Touchscreens add an extra layer. You just got to decide if those extra features are worth the loss of clarity and the glare. This could be avoided if more than just amazon was willing to put a keyboard on the device to give you the extra features.

There is actually more glare on a 505/300 then there is on a 600. The 600 does have reflection where the 505/300 do not.

doreenjoy · 09-08-2009, 08:25 PM

I need a device that lets me take notes and annotate non-fiction books. None of the devices currently on the market are meeting my needs, sadly. I still have to turn to paper books for non-fiction and most research titles.

DrMoze · 09-08-2009, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

There is actually more glare on a 505/300 then there is on a 600. The 600 does have reflection where the 505/300 do not.

Can you explain the difference between a diffuse reflection and glare? Because the 600 screen suffered more from poor legibility due to bright light at a variety of angles than either the 300 or 505. (This I call"glare.") I own a 300 and a 505, played around with the 600 in-store for quite a while. The 600 had to be held at particular angles away from the light to be legible.The 300/505 were much more forgiving wrt lighting conditions.They did not exhibit a large amount of glare that the 600 did.

afsandiego · 09-09-2009, 02:01 AM

i agree with DrMoze, I used to have the 505 then move to the 700 but sold it also after a few weeks due to the bad screen and then I went to the 600.. if 600 is compared with 700 it really has a much better screen, much less glare or even reflection, but when the 600 is compared with a 505 then you will realize that it just has more glare that you can never easily ignored...

davidspitzer · 09-09-2009, 02:25 AM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

There is actually more glare on a 505/300 then there is on a 600. The 600 does have reflection where the 505/300 do not.

I have seen you say this in pretty much every thread about the 600, but no one seems to share your sentiment. The consensus on the 600, that I have seen and subscribe to also, is the the clarity of the screen while not as bad as the 700 does not compare favorably on any front to that of the 300 or the 505.

The 600 will undoubtedly appeal to some whom enjoy the touch screen capability. This feature comes with a price though and that price is clarity. Call it reflection, glare, frosting or what you will but I think you will be hard pressed to find anyone but JSWolf who thinks that the 505 has more glare than the 600. Based on other threads I have read JSWolf has a unique and singular impression of what glare is.

lisreed · 09-09-2009, 02:53 AM

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Originally Posted by davidspitzer

I have seen you say this in pretty much every thread about the 600, but no one seems to share your sentiment. The consensus on the 600, that I have seen and subscribe to also, is the the clarity of the screen while not as bad as the 700 does not compare favorably on any front to that of the 300 or the 505.

The 600 will undoubtedly appeal to some whom enjoy the touch screen capability. This feature comes with a price though and that price is clarity. Call it reflection, glare, frosting or what you will but I think you will be hard pressed to find anyone but JSWolf who thinks that the 505 has more glare than the 600. Based on other threads I have read JSWolf has a unique and singular impression of what glare is.

Yes I was going to say pretty much the same thing. And he tends to say it as much as possible. Yet Jon did you buy the 600? Or just see it in a well lit store for a few minutes? I bought it and compared it to my non touchscreen e-ink device. I want to like it believe me but I can't get past the glare. I prefer a crisper screen. But I think Jon has a different dictionary than the rest of us since a couple of months ago he went on and on about his personal definition of what a troll was as opposed to what everyone else says a troll is...

lisreed · 09-09-2009, 03:42 AM

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Originally Posted by DrMoze

For an ebook Reader, I would want neither because I just want to READ!

I have computers and netbooks and blackberries if I want to input text, surf the web, etc. One of the things I really like about the Readers (500,505, and 300) is that they are simple, and made primarily for selecting and reading text-based books. (The menu bars and other options on the 600 were a turn-off for me when I played around with it.)

I agree. I don't need an sd card slot. I have never used one anyway. Don't need the search or annotating etc. But I loved the dictionary on the kindle. One of the reasons I got the 600. But its not enough reason to keep it. My 300 will be delivered wednesday. I will be packing the 600 off to be returned tomorrow .

JSWolf · 09-12-2009, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by davidspitzer

I have seen you say this in pretty much every thread about the 600, but no one seems to share your sentiment. The consensus on the 600, that I have seen and subscribe to also, is the the clarity of the screen while not as bad as the 700 does not compare favorably on any front to that of the 300 or the 505.

The 600 will undoubtedly appeal to some whom enjoy the touch screen capability. This feature comes with a price though and that price is clarity. Call it reflection, glare, frosting or what you will but I think you will be hard pressed to find anyone but JSWolf who thinks that the 505 has more glare than the 600. Based on other threads I have read JSWolf has a unique and singular impression of what glare is.

Glare is the amount of bright light that reflects back from the screen. The 600 does not reflects light back as much as the 300/505. The 600's touch layer does however reflect more but not glare. Put the 600 with a bright light shining directly on the 600 screen and it won't have as much glare as the same light on a 300/505.

JSWolf · 09-12-2009, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by lisreed

Yes I was going to say pretty much the same thing. And he tends to say it as much as possible. Yet Jon did you buy the 600? Or just see it in a well lit store for a few minutes? I bought it and compared it to my non touchscreen e-ink device. I want to like it believe me but I can't get past the glare. I prefer a crisper screen. But I think Jon has a different dictionary than the rest of us since a couple of months ago he went on and on about his personal definition of what a troll was as opposed to what everyone else says a troll is...

I did not purchase a 600 because if I replace or supplement my 505, I'm going to do so with a device that has a larger screen. So I may wait and see what the daily edition is like and also maybe the plastic logic and then there is the V9 as well. So we'll see what works out and what sort of money I have at the time.

I didn't have to see the 600 for longer to see how the glare is. I used the harsh bright lights of the shop to see. You won't get brighter lights in most circumstances. And I did make sure I had the 600 & the 300 & the 505 pointing directly at the lights.

As for the definition of troll, I've been there online since troll was defined. What you think troll means, we used weenie to mean the same thing.

afv011 · 09-12-2009, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

Glare is the amount of bright light that reflects back from the screen. The 600 does not reflects light back as much as the 300/505. The 600's touch layer does however reflect more but not glare. Put the 600 with a bright light shining directly on the 600 screen and it won't have as much glare as the same light on a 300/505.

You mean like shown here?

https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=56208

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komugi Zealot Posts: 109 Karma: 254 Join Date: Jun 2009 Device: Surface Pro 3, HTC 10, Kobo Aura H2O	Nah, its not technical issues, more usability issues. I've outlined my reasons in another post here: https://www.mobileread.com/forums/sho...2&postcount=56

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doreenjoy 01000100 01001010 Posts: 1,889 Karma: 2400000 Join Date: Mar 2009 Device: Polyamorous	I need a device that lets me take notes and annotate non-fiction books. None of the devices currently on the market are meeting my needs, sadly. I still have to turn to paper books for non-fiction and most research titles.

09-09-2009, 02:01 AM	#24
afsandiego Enthusiast Posts: 28 Karma: 560 Join Date: Mar 2009 Device: Sony PRS600 and iPhone 3GS	i agree with DrMoze, I used to have the 505 then move to the 700 but sold it also after a few weeks due to the bad screen and then I went to the 600.. if 600 is compared with 700 it really has a much better screen, much less glare or even reflection, but when the 600 is compared with a 505 then you will realize that it just has more glare that you can never easily ignored...

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