Comparison of Kindle DX and iRex DR1000 - Page 2

gwynevans · 06-12-2009, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Gideon

Kindle DX-
Pro:
Supports PDFs VERY well
...
Annotation and Highlight
Search

Can you annotate & search PDFs? Even if you can, the other restrictions with PDF usage suggest the "VERY well" is misleading at the very least...

numindast · 06-12-2009, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

Can you really see Adobe signing a deal with Amazon?

Err -- why not? I think I'm missing some knowledge here, do the companies not get along for some reason?

poohbear_nc · 06-12-2009, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by numindast

Err -- why not? I think I'm missing some knowledge here, do the companies not get along for some reason?

Imagine the licensing fees!
Remember - Amazon bought Mobi.

Nate the great · 06-12-2009, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by poohbear_nc

Imagine the licensing fees!
Remember - Amazon bought Mobi.

Why imagine it? We know it's a $75k per model fee for Adobe Mobile 9.

poohbear_nc · 06-12-2009, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Nate the great

Why imagine it? We know it's a $75k per model fee for Adobe Mobile 9.

Doesn't seem much - compared with the current retail price of a DX.

Maybe Amazon is resistant to using/loading any software not under their control?
Makes one think about their on-going cooperation/coalition with Apple and the iPhone apps.

JSWolf · 06-12-2009, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by poohbear_nc

Doesn't seem much - compared with the current retail price of a DX.

Maybe Amazon is resistant to using/loading any software not under their control?
Makes one think about their on-going cooperation/coalition with Apple and the iPhone apps.

It's a matter of control. Amazon doesn't want to support anything they don't have full control over. So in order to "say" they support PDF, they've limited it to the barest features needed to be able to "say" they support PDF. And as far as DRMed PDF go, that won't happen since Amazon doesn't sell them. And you can forget about an updated to ever support ePub. If Amazon doesn't sell it, they don't want to support it. I think PDF was grudgingly added to the DX.

poohbear_nc · 06-12-2009, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

It's a matter of control. Amazon doesn't want to support anything they don't have full control over. So in order to "say" they support PDF, they've limited it to the barest features needed to be able to "say" they support PDF. And as far as DRMed PDF go, that won't happen since Amazon doesn't sell them. And you can forget about an updated to ever support ePub. If Amazon doesn't sell it, they don't want to support it. I think PDF was grudgingly added to the DX.

For the textbook market only, no doubt.

ny10522 · 06-12-2009, 09:37 AM

A big advantage of the Kindle is the ability to research any word or topic while reading. With a few clicks and a short wait one is connected directly to Wikipedia or Google. After researching on the net, one click and you are back to your original book page.

With the Irex, a dictionary lookup involves both picking up and putting down the stylus. That would be a hassle for me considering the device is heavy enough to often require two hands for holding.

daffy4u · 06-12-2009, 09:48 AM

Here is a grid comparison of the 2 devices but not hands on.

It would be great if one of the US DR owners would make use of Amazon's 30 day return policy and do a real side by side comparison with the DX.

HarryT · 06-12-2009, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by ny10522

With the Irex, a dictionary lookup involves both picking up and putting down the stylus. That would be a hassle for me considering the device is heavy enough to often require two hands for holding.

If you've got the device on a desk, that's no problem at all. If I'm holding it, I "cradle" it in one arm, and use the stylus with the other hand.

wallcraft · 06-12-2009, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

But Sony have licenced the code for PDF reflow from Adobe. Can you really see Adobe signing a deal with Amazon?

Amazon has a mobile ADE licence, see Kindle DX: Adobe the real winner? and Amazon, Others License Adobe Reader Mobile SDK. So, assuming Amazon is actually using Adobe code for PDFs, it is very strange that the KDX does not support the table of contents and hyperlinks, and also that it does not reflow PDFs.

pilotbob · 06-12-2009, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

But Sony have licenced the code for PDF reflow from Adobe. Can you really see Adobe signing a deal with Amazon?

They can also license from FoxIt like Jetbook does. I assume they are licensing the current code from someone? Or do you think they wrote their own?

BOb

HarryT · 06-12-2009, 11:47 AM

Does the Kindle DX have an "About" screen which list all the "legal stuff"? There may be a clue in there about who the PDF viewer was licensed from. I very much doubt that Amazon wrote it themselves.

HarryT · 06-12-2009, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by wallcraft

Amazon has a mobile ADE licence, see Kindle DX: Adobe the real winner? and Amazon, Others License Adobe Reader Mobile SDK. So, assuming Amazon is actually using Adobe code for PDFs, it is very strange that the KDX does not support the table of contents and hyperlinks, and also that it does not reflow PDFs.

The DX's "credits" should show whether or not it contains code licensed from Adobe. I would imagine it would be acknowledged on whatever screen it is that shows all the copyright stuff.

wallcraft · 06-12-2009, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

The DX's "credits" should show whether or not it contains code licensed from Adobe.

The User's Guide says (last page):

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Native PDF support via Adobe® Reader® technology.

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06-12-2009, 09:37 AM	#23
ny10522 Enthusiast Posts: 45 Karma: 60 Join Date: Sep 2008 Device: Jetbook, Kindle2, Kindle Touch 3G, Ipod Touch	A big advantage of the Kindle is the ability to research any word or topic while reading. With a few clicks and a short wait one is connected directly to Wikipedia or Google. After researching on the net, one click and you are back to your original book page. With the Irex, a dictionary lookup involves both picking up and putting down the stylus. That would be a hassle for me considering the device is heavy enough to often require two hands for holding.

06-12-2009, 09:48 AM	#24
daffy4u I'm Super Kindle-icious Posts: 6,734 Karma: 2434103 Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Long Drive, Calinadia Candafornia Device: KDXG, KT, Oasis	Here is a grid comparison of the 2 devices but not hands on. It would be great if one of the US DR owners would make use of Amazon's 30 day return policy and do a real side by side comparison with the DX.

06-12-2009, 11:47 AM	#28
HarryT eBook Enthusiast Posts: 85,544 Karma: 93383099 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6	Does the Kindle DX have an "About" screen which list all the "legal stuff"? There may be a clue in there about who the PDF viewer was licensed from. I very much doubt that Amazon wrote it themselves.

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