EU Battery Regulation (2023/1542) - Page 2

Frogm4n · Yesterday, 12:05 PM

This is a common case where people put their own random adjectives on things and then build their stance by assuming that the regulations enforce those adjectives. Easy/easily are not in the regulations in regards to the battery removal. It can still be made very difficult to replace the battery, including full disassembly of the device and replacing one-time use adhesives and glues, and still be inside of the new regulation. It just can't require unobtanium tools, or require thermal or solvents to remove. It's an interesting loophole that Apple recently introduced adhesive strips that use electricity to release.

haertig · Yesterday, 12:46 PM

I guess "removeable battery" is an adjective. (isn't it?)

DNSB · Yesterday, 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Freeshadow

hoped for something like that, yes. 'll see

I keep quoting the relevant portion of the regulations to crush those dreams of battery doors and drop-in battery replacement.

Would I like that? Yes. Do I think we are going to see that? No.

haertig · Yesterday, 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DNSB

Would I like that?

I'm not sure I would. On one hand, sure, it would be convenient for replacing a battery. But on the other hand, ... a 1" thick Kindle to accommodate the compartment and door access? I'm not so sure anyone would buy that.

While non-user-replaceable batteries may have some manufacturer cost savings involved, I'm betting this issue was move of a space and weight saving measure. And then manufacturers probably took the primary space/weight savings reason and expanded that thinking, "How can we make this a bit less user friendly, so they'll choose to buy a new device from us rather than repair an old device?" I'm sure that kind of thinking played into it somewhat, but probably only as a secondary parasitic thought compared to the primary space/weight issue.

DiapDealer · Yesterday, 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by haertig

I'm not sure I would. On one hand, sure, it would be convenient for replacing a battery. But on the other hand, ... a 1" thick Kindle to accommodate the compartment and door access? I'm not so sure anyone would buy that.

That's what I was thinking too. A "be careful what you wish for" kind of thing.

theducks · Yesterday, 03:58 PM

My smart phone is not even close to 1" thick and I just pop the back with a guitar pick like tool (and the battery is of a higher capacity because of the color screen w/backlight.
I replaced the battery in my K4nt . The hard part was getting the battery. You can't buy it on Amazon even tho Amazon has batteries from that dealer for OTHER devices.
The 'kit' included a tiny screw driver and a plastic pry tool.

DrNefario · Today, 03:24 AM

I replaced the battery in my old kindle keyboard so I could fill it up before they removed support recently. That kit also came with a pry tool and couple of small screwdrivers, but the screwdrivers were garbage and I had to use my own precision screwdriver.

I don't know if that would satisfy the legal requirements. The battery was quite easy to swap out, with a couple of regular, if tiny, crosshead screws holding it in place. The issue for me was that prying the back off without chewing it up was impossible, so I can't regard that as properly replaceable.

I don't really care for the obsession with thinness and no bezels on phones. Everyone ends up adding a case since the devices are annoying to hold, and the lack of bezel means you are accidentally touching the screen all the time. Never mind that my old phone had room for a pulsing light that told me when I had a message, where my new phone I just have to keep waking it up to check.

Quoth · Today, 05:36 AM

The Nokia N9500 phone is about 1" thick, but has a QWERTY keyboard and practically a phone in the lid.

I have an Android 5.1.1 Huawei that is as thin or thinner than any Kindle and same thickness as an almost new TCL. There is a little notch near one corner for a finger nail. Cover pops off and you can pop out the battery, swap SD card or SIM. FM Radio, & 3.5mm jack. Micro USB O2G. Even without SIM it's a nice music player, FM Radio and what ever apps loaded before it lost Playstore. As it's less than 8.x Google/Alphabet won't be blocking 3rd party APKs via USB.

A replaceable battery isn't hard. The 30 m waterproof watch has user replaceable cell.

We are going backwards. Cory Doctorow's word for it is now in some dictionaries.

The Electricity Smart meters in Ireland use 2G/EDGE, so I risked buying a 2004 Nokia N9500. Still connects to Web (HTTP only) using Opera. Voice & SMS work. Battery easily replaced and available (used in many phones). The original 2004 battery still goes for several days. There is even Mobipocket on it! No Apple or Google surveillance.
Nokia's first with WiFi and their last true Commmunicator due to internal Politics. Instead of upgrading S80 to touch they went backwards to S60.

Highroller · Today, 01:38 PM

This is a positive step for sustainability; reducing electronic waste by making batteries replaceable will definitely benefit consumers in the long run.

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Yesterday, 12:05 PM	#16
Frogm4n Guru Posts: 649 Karma: 4500001 Join Date: Jul 2023 Device: Scribe 2022, OA2, PRS-350	This is a common case where people put their own random adjectives on things and then build their stance by assuming that the regulations enforce those adjectives. Easy/easily are not in the regulations in regards to the battery removal. It can still be made very difficult to replace the battery, including full disassembly of the device and replacing one-time use adhesives and glues, and still be inside of the new regulation. It just can't require unobtanium tools, or require thermal or solvents to remove. It's an interesting loophole that Apple recently introduced adhesive strips that use electricity to release.

Yesterday, 12:46 PM	#17
haertig Wizard Posts: 2,043 Karma: 36586022 Join Date: Sep 2017 Device: PW3, Galaxy Tab A9+, Galaxy S25FE	I guess "removeable battery" is an adjective. (isn't it?)

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theducks Well trained by Cats Posts: 31,868 Karma: 64181416 Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: The Central Coast of California Device: Kobo Libra2,Kobo Aura2v1, K4NT(Fixed: New Bat.), Galaxy Tab A	My smart phone is not even close to 1" thick and I just pop the back with a guitar pick like tool (and the battery is of a higher capacity because of the color screen w/backlight. I replaced the battery in my K4nt . The hard part was getting the battery. You can't buy it on Amazon even tho Amazon has batteries from that dealer for OTHER devices. The 'kit' included a tiny screw driver and a plastic pry tool.

Today, 03:24 AM	#22
DrNefario Wizard Posts: 2,295 Karma: 12408712 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: UK Device: Kindle, Kobo Touch, Nook SimpleTouch	I replaced the battery in my old kindle keyboard so I could fill it up before they removed support recently. That kit also came with a pry tool and couple of small screwdrivers, but the screwdrivers were garbage and I had to use my own precision screwdriver. I don't know if that would satisfy the legal requirements. The battery was quite easy to swap out, with a couple of regular, if tiny, crosshead screws holding it in place. The issue for me was that prying the back off without chewing it up was impossible, so I can't regard that as properly replaceable. I don't really care for the obsession with thinness and no bezels on phones. Everyone ends up adding a case since the devices are annoying to hold, and the lack of bezel means you are accidentally touching the screen all the time. Never mind that my old phone had room for a pulsing light that told me when I had a message, where my new phone I just have to keep waking it up to check.

Today, 05:36 AM	#23
Quoth Still reading Posts: 15,548 Karma: 114630301 Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: Ireland Device: All 4 Kinds: epub eink, Kindle, android eink, NxtPaper	The Nokia N9500 phone is about 1" thick, but has a QWERTY keyboard and practically a phone in the lid. I have an Android 5.1.1 Huawei that is as thin or thinner than any Kindle and same thickness as an almost new TCL. There is a little notch near one corner for a finger nail. Cover pops off and you can pop out the battery, swap SD card or SIM. FM Radio, & 3.5mm jack. Micro USB O2G. Even without SIM it's a nice music player, FM Radio and what ever apps loaded before it lost Playstore. As it's less than 8.x Google/Alphabet won't be blocking 3rd party APKs via USB. A replaceable battery isn't hard. The 30 m waterproof watch has user replaceable cell. We are going backwards. Cory Doctorow's word for it is now in some dictionaries. The Electricity Smart meters in Ireland use 2G/EDGE, so I risked buying a 2004 Nokia N9500. Still connects to Web (HTTP only) using Opera. Voice & SMS work. Battery easily replaced and available (used in many phones). The original 2004 battery still goes for several days. There is even Mobipocket on it! No Apple or Google surveillance. Nokia's first with WiFi and their last true Commmunicator due to internal Politics. Instead of upgrading S80 to touch they went backwards to S60.

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Highroller Groupie Posts: 152 Karma: 338 Join Date: Nov 2004 Device: Ebookwise 1150, Jetbook Lite, Slick Er-701	This is a positive step for sustainability; reducing electronic waste by making batteries replaceable will definitely benefit consumers in the long run.

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