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If I had too, I could survive with a Kindle given KF8 and my choice of font being CareInk6SP, negative margins, and Hyphenate This!
That gets rid of the excess left/right margins. Gets rid of the excess line height. Gets rid of large gaps and give me hyphens via soft hyphens. Too bad KF8 does not have kerning. |
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The Sage screen looks better in a side by side comparison. The weight doesn't bother me with either in their case.
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I wonder why the Moebius screen didn't take over. I had assumed the plastic substrate had a noticeable negative impact, because everything else about it (weight, durability) plastic seems clearly superior to glass.
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Stuff on glass (sapphire even better) lasts longer, more stable etc. Really you'd only want plastic on a roll-up display.
Plastic is only better for bending. They use gridded alloy castings as backing for glass panels. Overall for same stability there is only a slight weight advantage on plastic. |
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Which is handy on a large eink screen like the Forma had.
The most common thing to break in an eink screen is the glass substrate. That was why there was talk around the Mobius screen in the first place. But then after the Forma, it was ditched, so I guess there were other problems. |
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I am not an eink expert. It could be that I know just enough to sow more confusion. But I thought the Mobius screen wasn't a generation, like Pearl and Carta. I thought Mobius a designation meant to signify it had the plastic substrate. So you could have a Carta 1200 Mobius screen.
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I suspect Mobius was designed to compete with now defunct competitors that were going to supply screens for flexible, curved or roll up gadgets. Certainly plastic based OLED have shorter life and more prone to early failure than glass based OLED. The flexibility of plastic vs glass would seem to have a very limited advantage in a regular ereader with an Aluminium alloy chassis.
Edit: Onyx Max Carta in 2017 allegedly has a flexible Carta Screen. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onyx_Boox#Release_dates So Mobius wasn't just flexible, but was a generation. That article lists later Mobius Carta too. But the most recent Onyx listed (2023) at 13.3″ and 2200x1650 is the Tab with a Carta 1250 (better speed and contrast than the Carta 1200). The original Mobius didn't have Regal waveform mode. Last edited by Quoth; 06-19-2023 at 12:56 PM. |
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Wikipedia claims Mobius is a "Generation" after Pearl and before Triton and Carta.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E_Ink#...odels_of_E_Ink Plastic Logic was the flexible competitor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plastic_Logic First product was supposed to be 2004. Almost all proposed products never shipped and they seem to end in approximately 2013. They ceased manufacturing in 2012. Another competitor was Liquid Vista, bought by Amazon in 2013, founded by Philips in 2006 and sold to Samsung by Philips. Amazon seems to have buried it. Philips was originally also involved with eInk, the company founded in 1997. They seem to have been involved from about 1999, till it was sold to PVI or earlier. Quote:
However, inherently the simplest display is LCD, followed by OLED (which are really printed electroluminescent dots with phosphors, not real LEDS). The eink is next. Real LED panels tend to be wall sized, but Sony does have regular size panels called Crystal LED, that are real LEDs. About x20 more expensive than OLED. The QLED is actually LCD with a blue LED backlight and a quantum dot based film instead of an RGB dye filter that actually converts blue light to green or red, so for the same LED power the QLED is maybe x3 to x4 brighter. There are no white* LED backlights on LCD, it's blue or violet LEDs with a yellow phosphor, or else arrays of R G & B LEDs. The QLED panel can be made bright enough for direct sunlight. The dye filters on coloured LCD or eInk can be faded by strong light. So LCD screens in call center & NOC walls do get burn in, as do the phosphors on OLED with bright static images. [* All LEDs are monochromatic, colour changing ones have R, G, & B and ALL white LEDs have phosphor(s) on blue, violet or UV monochromatic LEDs, just like CCFL, CFL and ordinary florescent lamps need phosphors.] Last edited by Quoth; 06-19-2023 at 01:01 PM. |
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When you can get a very good reader new for about $100 and a top of the line one for $300, I'd say it is not very expensive. Though I do take your point that eInk's monopoly perhaps makes them cost more than they should.
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Also you can buy a decent phone or tablet without contract that far exceeds any ereader for €100 to €200. There is very little electronics in a current ereader compared to an Oppo phone. Only entry level ereaders are about the $100, but I agree now that Kindle Basic is 300 dpi rather than 167 dpi it's not bad. The Nia is nice even though the resolution a bit lower. I just bought a 23″ 4K UHD monitor for about £170. Probably more electronics in it than an ereader. Last edited by Quoth; 06-19-2023 at 03:20 PM. |
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I don't think ereaders and tablets are directly comparable. They do different things.
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Personally I love my Forma and the Mobius screen's durability has saved me hundreds of dollars (careless and clumsy sometimes). I also have my Elipsa which I also love. I feel no need to get the Sage and am actually tempted to get a second Forma if possible to replace my current one when it eventually dies (but given that they're discontinued there wouldn't be much benefit).
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